Putin Again Interferes - This Time Selecting Trump, AND Weak Opponent, To Cause Trump Victory.

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No brainer.

If Bernie becomes Trump’s election opponent Trump easily wins. So of course Putin is interfering in both of their campaigns.

Bernie gets the nod, is then vilified by Trump as a Communist (most voters hear the word Socialism and wrongly equate it with Communism) and Trump wins.

Why do you think Trump fears Biden, Bloomberg? But not Bernie?
Because Bernie is an easy-to-beat preferred opponent.

And Vlad is trying to help that match along.

He promotes Bernie this side of the Democratic Convention. Then denigrates him on the other side once he’s the nominee and Trump’s official opponent.

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The DNC needs something to blame their losses on and something to attack Trump with again.

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The DNC needs something to blame their losses on and something to attack Trump with again.

Russian meddling in the election in 2016 in favor of Trump was proven already. Multiple intelligence agencies, cyber security experts and the like have already said so. The Mueller report found the same evidence. There is no dispute that they had a massive campaign of disinformation aimed at helping him win. He was the preferred candidate because Putin saw him as the weaker of the two. That they are ramping this up again is not in dispute either. These are facts the same way gravity is. They are not disputable. What proved to be incorrect was the idea that Trump participated in the meddling. He did not. Putin feels that a Democrat would be harder to deal with than Trump who has been quite friendly to Putin.

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There has always been some election meddling by almost every country against another one. Does it change the election? Probably not.

Here take a trip back in time to the DNC scandal:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/07/ ... ownplayed/

The DNC was forced to give back more than $2.8 million in illegal or improper donations from foreign nationals.

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There has always been some election meddling by almost every country against another one. Does it change the election? Probably not.

Here take a trip back in time to the DNC scandal:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/07/ ... ownplayed/

The DNC was forced to give back more than $2.8 million in illegal or improper donations from foreign nationals.

This was far more sophisticated and involved far more than previous influence campaigns. The internet is a large part of that. All they had to do was use Facebook and Twitter to spread misinformation. We have voting machines that can be hacked easily. The Democrats want to try to provide money to replace them and vastly improve election security, why not Trump and the GOP? Instead they make it harder to vote by targeting Democratic leaning groups and making it harder to obtain an ID to follow the very laws they insisted are so badly needed despite a lack of evidence that a problem is in need of correction. They close or move offices or make the hours so insane that it discourages people from getting the needed documents. Meanwhile an actual problem that seriously needs fixing ASAP goes completely ignored by a party supposedly worried about voting...

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No brainer.

If Bernie becomes Trump’s election opponent Trump easily wins. So of course Putin is interfering in both of their campaigns.

Bernie gets the nod, is then vilified by Trump as a Communist (most voters hear the word Socialism and wrongly equate it with Communism) and Trump wins.

Why do you think Trump fears Biden, Bloomberg? But not Bernie?
Because Bernie is an easy-to-beat preferred opponent.

And Vlad is trying to help that match along.

He promotes Bernie this side of the Democratic Convention. Then denigrates him on the other side once he’s the nominee and Trump’s official opponent.

I agree with everything you say here.
And there's something I'm noticing.
Just how much The Trump Network … err I mean Fox News has been dogging Bloomberg.
It's becoming more frequent for the commentators on Fox News to single Bloomberg out for the Nightly Lambasting.

Could this be another sign that Donald may be fretting about going one on one with Bloomberg?

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Absolutely!

Trump fears Biden and Bloomberg.

More so Bloomberg now - as Biden’s obvious early stage dementia is showing up at every debate.

And Bloomberg will have his debate answers practiced and ready at the next go round. He was THE worst at the last debate. Like President Obama’s rusty debate performance during the first debate of his reelection campaign. Fortunately the next time
he debated he was right on.

What a difference practice sessions make!! Gotta be hyper prepared. Can’t rely on your prep from years back. Mistake to do so.

[Bryce]

Wow, I can't believe there are people so moronic as to be sucked into this idiocy again. The day after a disastrous Democratic debate, one in which two of the major candidates aren't even Democrats, writers at the N.Y. Times pen another Russian hoax hit piece and there are morons out there that actually believe it. These are the same "reporters" that spent the last three and a half years writing about the thoroughly debunked Russian collusion with the Trump campaign, yet lefties desperate to find any reason to delegitimize the presidency of Donald John Trump are running with it.

The Times story as well as the one in the comPost is mostly B.S. Even CNN's Jake Tapper agrees.

A national security official I know and trust pushes back on the way the briefing/ODNI story is being told, and others with firsthand knowledge agree with his assessment. “What’s been articulated in the news is that the intelligence community has concluded that the Russians are trying to help Trump again. But the intelligence doesn’t say that,”

“It’s more that they understand the president is someone they can work with, he’s a dealmaker. But not that they prefer him over Sanders or Buttigieg or anyone else. So it may have been mischaracterized by Shelby” at the House Intel briefing last week. “And by the way,” the official says, “both Democrats and Republicans were challenging this at the briefing.”

THIS, from Jake Tapper at CNN? Wow! Hell must have frozen over.

Let me ask all you progressive patsy's this. Although it is well documented that forces in Russia attempt to meddle with our election process, and have for many years, just as WE did a few years ago under the direction of Barrack Hussien Obama, with the Israeli election process, why is it only a big deal when Trump wins or may win a election? We had elections in 2018. The Democratic Party took over the House of Representatives and made gains the the U.S. Senate. Was this because of Russian meddling? Should Democratic control of the House be deemed delegitimate because of Russian influence? Or, did the Russians take that year off?

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Wow, I can't believe there are people so moronic as to be sucked into this idiocy again. The day after a disastrous Democratic debate, one in which two of the major candidates aren't even Democrats, writers at the N.Y. Times pen another Russian hoax hit piece and there are morons out there that actually believe it. These are the same "reporters" that spent the last three and a half years writing about the thoroughly debunked Russian collusion with the Trump campaign, yet lefties desperate to find any reason to delegitimize the presidency of Donald John Trump are running with it.

The Times story as well as the one in the comPost is mostly B.S. Even CNN's Jake Tapper agrees.

A national security official I know and trust pushes back on the way the briefing/ODNI story is being told, and others with firsthand knowledge agree with his assessment. “What’s been articulated in the news is that the intelligence community has concluded that the Russians are trying to help Trump again. But the intelligence doesn’t say that,”

“It’s more that they understand the president is someone they can work with, he’s a dealmaker. But not that they prefer him over Sanders or Buttigieg or anyone else. So it may have been mischaracterized by Shelby” at the House Intel briefing last week. “And by the way,” the official says, “both Democrats and Republicans were challenging this at the briefing.”

THIS, from Jake Tapper at CNN? Wow! Hell must have frozen over.

Let me ask all you progressive patsy's this. Although it is well documented that forces in Russia attempt to meddle with our election process, and have for many years, just as WE did a few years ago under the direction of Barrack Hussien Obama, with the Israeli election process, why is it only a big deal when Trump wins or may win a election? We had elections in 2018. The Democratic Party took over the House of Representatives and made gains the the U.S. Senate. Was this because of Russian meddling? Should Democratic control of the House be deemed delegitimate because of Russian influence? Or, did the Russians take that year off?

Let’s dispense with the bullshit... why are we “patsys” or unamerican” or any other deragatory term you clowns use for us because we question why things are happening as they are and we see the country as having flaws that need improvement? That’s a sign of loving ones country and wanting to see the best for it. I’m sick and tired of supposed conservative “patriots” demeaning their fellow citizens because they think differently or they dare question the way things are done and try to find solutions to problems. The fact that Conservatives don’t want to do the kinds of improvements characteristic of “the good old days” is kind of ironic. We had vast improvements on many fronts up until about 1965. After that as the conservative movement developed it all dried up on the right. Now there is a void of thought and ideas to improve people’s lives. It’s been replaced by vitriol and maligning us as somehow hating America or some such bullshit. It’s really getting to be quite tiresome.

As for the Russia thing... Trumps DNI Dan Coats did the briefing. It wasn’t some rouge Democrat. Then Trump is paranoid that Schiff was there at the briefing which makes little sense. He’s entitled to be there as intelligence chairman. The 2016 stuff isn’t made up. There was a concerted effort to elect Trump on the part of the Russians. They did that because he was the doormat candidate. Putin wanted to weaken our institutions and shake our faith in Democracy. He got his wish for better or worse. That’s very different from anything we’ve tried before. Instead of taking this seriously Trump is worried about himself as usual. How it effects his re-election. No concern for what’s going on, or securing the elections, researching it, looking into it... you know... stuff that’s actually patriotic and would have been automatic for anybody else.

So spare me the patsy names and unpatriotic horseshit. We are neither but the actions and response here by the GOP is absolutely textbook for both.

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So, the Russian's did take 2018 off?

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So, the Russian's did take 2018 off?

It would fit the pattern of sowing division to have divided government. The aim is to turn us inward and divide us so badly that we are rendered ineffective. So far so good.

[Matt]

So, the Russian's did take 2018 off?

It would fit the pattern of sowing division to have divided government. The aim is to turn us inward and divide us so badly that we are rendered ineffective. So far so good.

The Russians aren't dividing us. Your fucking beloved Democrat Party has that handled. Compare Trump rallies vs. Democrat events, and then compare fundraising. Enough of this Russian bullshit.

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So, the Russian's did take 2018 off?

It would fit the pattern of sowing division to have divided government. The aim is to turn us inward and divide us so badly that we are rendered ineffective. So far so good.

The Russians aren't dividing us. Your fucking beloved Democrat Party has that handled. Compare Trump rallies vs. Democrat events, and then compare fundraising. Enough of this Russian bullshit.

The Democrats as a group and as parties and as committees are out raising the Republicans. The Democratic candidates collectively are out raising Trump. Bloomberg has billions to chip in through pacs... the Democrats have money covered. I am not accusing Trump of collusion or anything illegal or untoward regarding Russia. That was proven false in the Mueller report. Russia did prefer Trump in 2016 and wanted to sow as much doubt and dissent in the process as possible. Numerous reports and federal intelligence officials have openly said exactly that. You’re looking at the second part of that which is the Democrats reaction to the Russian action... the Russians sowed the seeds and fanned the flames and both sides are now at each other’s throats worse than any time in recent memory. It’s what they were trying to do and they’ve done it. As for the rallies... yes Trumps are bigger but that doesn’t translate to more supporters necessarily... it indicates more enthusiastic followers is all. Just because I don’t go to a rally doesn’t mean anything.

That you think it’s all a hoax and a conspiracy and whatever proves that it worked. That people believe that and repeat it proves that it worked. Many of those messages and memes on social media and the twitter bots and troll posters on message boards are Russian. The government there runs a troll farm and hacking operation for Christ sake. But Putin can get treaties backed out of by us and whatever else he wants from Trump while we sit here and argue about whether it’s happening or not and sit here and do nothing to shore up election security. The entire world isn’t a conspiracy against Conservatives/The GOP/Republicans/Trump... these things are facts that reasonable people should be able to look at and discuss... you won’t even engage in that sort of thing... you just swear at everybody about these things and talk about how F-ing wrong we are and then go up the forum to talk about MSU being whatever boogieman you want them to be...

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Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today!

Enthusiasm doesn't matter? Democrats attending Trump rallies doesn't matter? Trump way out-fundraising Democrats doesn't matter?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... total.html

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Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today!

Enthusiasm doesn't matter? Democrats attending Trump rallies doesn't matter? Trump way out-fundraising Democrats doesn't matter?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... total.html

“Comparing the RNC and DNC ledgers this early is unfair in some ways, given that Republicans can consolidate their cash around the president and Democrats still must spend to compete with one another. Rufus Gifford, President Obama’s fundraising chief and one of the most connected fundraisers on the Democratic side, said as much.”... it’s not even a completely fair comparison. And there are gonna be some disgruntled Republicans at Democratic rallies. Trump has a loyal following but it’s at most 40% of the country. Only a small percentage of them go to these rallies. There are also 7 Democrats running which splits the support. The Democrats also tend to be a bit less likely to go crazy at a rally... they don’t have somebody egging them on. So no his rallies don’t indicate much of anything... they are too unique to say much.