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Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by Y M Ionhere » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:00 pm

screen glare wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:55 pm
Buh bye unAmerican, shameful, “ignore the people” republican senators, and your little Mitch, too.

They all think the people will forget that THEY forgot to do their duty and instead did whatever Trump dictated.

Not a dictatorship! Not a country without a constitution!! Come election day - the people won’t forget how their representatives ignored their clear demand for a trial with witnesses and documents. The people were cheated. And instead force-fed a cover up.

And we all know how Americans won’t stomach a cover up.
You say "not a dictatorship" while in the same post supporting a gun-grabber who actually banned "big gulp" drinks to shove his own "healthy" agenda on the population against their will.
Fuck off



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by bmw » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:54 pm

SG - even if Bloomberg is the candidate with the best chance of beating Trump (and IMO, of everyone in the field, he has the best chance in a general election), you haven't explained how he's going to win the nomination. His polling numbers just aren't there yet. And based on Biden's national polling numbers and the demographics of many of the Super Tuesday states, I see this as Biden being the front-runner after March 3 with Sanders not far behind. The only unknown that could change that in the short-term is Bernie's health.

As to the Senate - which seats specifically do you think will turn to a D? Only 17 seats are considered as even being in-play (with the remaining 83 either not up for election or considered safe), and of those 17 seats, only 12 are held by Republicans. That means Democrats would need to win 8 of those 12 seats (for a +4 gain) AND hold all 5 of their vulnerable seats. As it stands right now if you include "leaning" seats, Republicans lead 50-46 with 4 toss-ups - the toss-ups being Arizona, Maine, Colorado, and North Carolina. So you think Democrats take over all 4 of those seats PLUS pick off another?

You can ramble all you want about how much you hate Trump, but that doesn't change the reality of where the races stand today.
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I do not question BMW on election prediction stuff. I learned my lesson 4 years ago. :D
I have to quote this just for the sake of quoting it :blink



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by Rate This » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:14 am

Kentucky which isn’t entirely Republican (just elected a Democrat governor) also could be In play and maybe Iowa. The republicans are defending more vulnerable seats than the democrats this time around. Getting a net +4 isn’t looking out of the realm of possibility and it has become more likely over time. Kansas might even be in play if the exceedingly weak Kris Kobach gets the nomination. They already rejected him for governor and elected a Democrat. Throw Georgia in the mix too. You are overselling the Republicans position. Trumpism hurt them in 2018 and it will likely hurt them again in a year when even more Democrats show up to the polls than in the midterms. That’s been the Democrats voting pattern for a while.



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by screen glare » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:13 am

Y M Ionhere -

Mighty Mike is GUNNING for your BIG GULP! Shit Oh Dear!!!!

How in the hell will you enjoy life without your open carry assault rifle? And both hands stretched around your H-U-G-E guzzle cup?

I hope you’re enraged and engorged when Mike’s voters stick it to the “so long suckers“ gun lobby. And toast their win with large cups they can easily tip with one hand.

It’s satisfying to realize that over three terms as NYC’s hard working mayor - and hundreds of issues resolved or made better - you’re pounding the table over two out-sized, lethal, American health issues - (diabetes and deadly mass shootings) which Mike has the balls, brain, and patriotism - to try to resolve.

Go ahead - keep licking Trump’s white rump. But careful - when he shits in your face.



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by bmw » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:29 am

RT - I'm not suggesting that +4 is out of the realm of possibility, but I think it is VERY unlikely if the economy holds up through election day.

SG - Nice to see you have no answers for my substantive questions. You have no refutation to anything I said, re: how Bloomberg gets the nomination or how Dems pick up 4 seats in the Senate? I can't say I'm surprised given that every political opinion you have is rooted in your gut reaction to Donald Trump rather than logical analysis. I'm just about done engaging with you entirely in these forums given your complete inability to have an actual discussion on anything.



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by screen glare » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:55 am

What fascination with numbers, bmw! If numbers were key - there would be no surprises come election night.

And Trump and his yes men are doing lots of things that are unconstitutional, lawless, unprecedented, and out of the box. So might we also see reactions to those shocking unAmerican words and actions which are also never-before-seen? Or anticipated?

You stay right inside your box of numbers and traditional voter behaviors.

I’ll stay outside the box, and let my imagination come up with new levels of voter alarm and motivation.

Remember - US security agencies said after the surprise of 9-11 that one of our problems as a government and nation was/is not preparing for never-seen-before circumstances. We simply keep operating on the old paradigms.

BTW - I think Bernie is surging because voters imagine a debate or boxing match between he and Trump - and have decided they want to see the two old guys bellow, swear, shove and pound each other - and Bernie is most evenly matched - physically, rage, and volume-wise.

Trump talks a good punch - but he’s a flabby, weak, coward - and has trouble keeping his false teeth and cogent thoughts in his head.



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by Rate This » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:07 am

bmw wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:29 am
RT - I'm not suggesting that +4 is out of the realm of possibility, but I think it is VERY unlikely if the economy holds up through election day.

SG - Nice to see you have no answers for my substantive questions. You have no refutation to anything I said, re: how Bloomberg gets the nomination or how Dems pick up 4 seats in the Senate? I can't say I'm surprised given that every political opinion you have is rooted in your gut reaction to Donald Trump rather than logical analysis. I'm just about done engaging with you entirely in these forums given your complete inability to have an actual discussion on anything.
But Trump is historically unpopular and faces an uphill fight in which the economy really doesn’t seem to be buoying him to any real degree. If the Democrat wins they’ll pull a bunch of senate candidates along with them. 2020 is not shaping up to be a good year for the GOP... enthusiasm, fundraising and polling are all pointing to another blue wave...



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by bmw » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:22 am

screen glare wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:55 am
And Trump and his yes men are doing lots of things that are unconstitutional, lawless, unprecedented, and out of the box. So might we also see reactions to those shocking unAmerican words and actions which are also never-before-seen? Or anticipated?
Considering that his approval rating today is virtually the same as it was the day he was elected (maybe even marginally higher), it doesn't look to me like anything he has said or done has damaged him in any meaningful way in terms of the voters.
screen glare wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:55 am
You stay right inside your box of numbers and traditional voter behaviors.

I’ll stay outside the box, and let my imagination come up with new levels of voter alarm and motivation.
You mean like in 2016 when I was predicting a Trump victory and you said we "can count on" a Hillary victory? :lol

Again - to be clear, I DO agree that Bloomberg would give Trump a run for his money in a general election. But you still haven't explained to me how he gets to the nomination. You seem to be implying that Biden is about to implode and that Bloomberg will fill in the vacuum. If Biden's numerous gaffes over the past year haven't knocked him out yet, I'm not sure what else could possibly knock him out of the running between now and March 3. And once March 3rd comes and goes, if Bloomberg doesn't have at least several VICTORIES under his belt, then he's toast.
screen glare wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:55 am
BTW - I think Bernie is surging because voters imagine a debate or boxing match between he and Trump - and have decided they want to see the two old guys bellow, swear, shove and pound each other - and Bernie is most evenly matched - physically, rage, and volume-wise.
Physically? The man had a heart attack last year. No doubt a Bernie candidacy would give voters a sharp contrast in the general - between Communism and capitalism. And the only way Communism has a prayer is if the majority of voters are not only dissatisfied with the status quo, but are willing to make that drastic of a change. You can mark my words right now - if Bernie gets the nomination, Trump will get more electoral votes than he did in 2016. Copy that. Screenshot that. Remember it. Whatever.



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by bmw » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:31 am

Rate This wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:07 am
But Trump is historically unpopular and faces an uphill fight in which the economy really doesn’t seem to be buoying him to any real degree.
I disagree. His approval rating WAS foundering in the mid-to-upper 30s in mid-late 2017 right before his tax cuts. After the tax cuts passed, he pretty quickly recovered back into the low, and eventually, middle 40s. It is the continued strong economy that has kept his approval from falling back into the 30s. His 30-35% base will always be there, but that extra 10 to 15 percent comes from otherwise never-Trump republicans and from independents. And his rise from 38 to 44% approval after the tax cuts and sustaining there during the good economy tells me that it is the economy that is keeping those independents in his camp. As I said like a year ago in here - there are a number of people quietly rooting for the economy to tank because of this (and one person not-so-quietly doing so - Bill Maher).
Rate This wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:07 am
If the Democrat wins they’ll pull a bunch of senate candidates along with them. 2020 is not shaping up to be a good year for the GOP... enthusiasm, fundraising and polling are all pointing to another blue wave...
Well, if the Democrat wins the Presidency, that is also one fewer Senate seats you need to pick off to get a majority.



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by Rate This » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:54 am

bmw wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:31 am
Rate This wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:07 am
But Trump is historically unpopular and faces an uphill fight in which the economy really doesn’t seem to be buoying him to any real degree.
I disagree. His approval rating WAS foundering in the mid-to-upper 30s in mid-late 2017 right before his tax cuts. After the tax cuts passed, he pretty quickly recovered back into the low, and eventually, middle 40s. It is the continued strong economy that has kept his approval from falling back into the 30s. His 30-35% base will always be there, but that extra 10 to 15 percent comes from otherwise never-Trump republicans and from independents. And his rise from 38 to 44% approval after the tax cuts and sustaining there during the good economy tells me that it is the economy that is keeping those independents in his camp. As I said like a year ago in here - there are a number of people quietly rooting for the economy to tank because of this (and one person not-so-quietly doing so - Bill Maher).
Rate This wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:07 am
If the Democrat wins they’ll pull a bunch of senate candidates along with them. 2020 is not shaping up to be a good year for the GOP... enthusiasm, fundraising and polling are all pointing to another blue wave...
Well, if the Democrat wins the Presidency, that is also one fewer Senate seats you need to pick off to get a majority.
Mid-40’s in a good economy is absolutely horrendous... polling at about 45 at best when your top 2 opponents poll at or above 50 consistently is also terrible. It’s gonna be very hard for him to win with 45% of the vote especially considering the razor thin margins that he will be hard pressed to repeat in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Celebrating mid-40’s for a President is like celebrating 7-9 for a football team... you are smarter than that.



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by bmw » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:32 pm

And what exactly was his approval rating the night he won?

Also - his composite approval rating doesn't tell the whole story. His approval rating on handling the economy sits at 56%
https://markets.businessinsider.com/new ... 1028847885

If history tells us anything, it is that voters (on both sides of the aisle) vote with their pocketbooks.



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by Rate This » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:33 pm

bmw wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:32 pm
And what exactly was his approval rating the night he won?

Also - his composite approval rating doesn't tell the whole story. His approval rating on handling the economy sits at 56%
https://markets.businessinsider.com/new ... 1028847885

If history tells us anything, it is that voters (on both sides of the aisle) vote with their pocketbooks.
He’s never broken 50 so somewhere south of there... 46 or 47 on Election Day 2016? He’s in the unique position of being very good at blowing it... kinda like Trump Steaks and Trump menswear... he shouldn’t be able to blow it and by your measure he should have cracked 50 by now but he has about 42 or 43% of the country solidly behind him... a majority of independents disapprove of him... that will not get it done.



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by bmw » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:17 am

It's hard to crack 50 when the vast majority of the media and nearly all of the nightly entertainment programs portray you as the next Hitler. If media coverage were anything close to balanced, I think he'd be at least near 50 if not slightly above it.



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by Rate This » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:33 am

bmw wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:17 am
It's hard to crack 50 when the vast majority of the media and nearly all of the nightly entertainment programs portray you as the next Hitler. If media coverage were anything close to balanced, I think he'd be at least near 50 if not slightly above it.
All they have to do is listen to the guy. They don’t need anybody’s help if they aren’t gonna like him. If things like “grab her by the pussy” are gonna turn somebody off the media doesn’t have to do anything to help that along. And if even they did they’d be too late. That person would be lost to Trump. He simply isn’t popular and frankly much of that is self inflicted. He sold out to a minority position for publicity and the opportunity to be outlandish. He never really wanted to be president and he’s kinda just rolled with it and winged it. It shows in the poorly crafted plans, announcements about something big that are quickly forgotten (like infrastructure) and the capitulation he always ends up doing. Look at the USMCA... he rolled over and played dead and gave the Democrats everything that they asked for. One Republican Senator was quoted as saying that the President essentially threw them under the bus as it were just to have a win. If he were not laser focused on just his base of 42 or 43% and behaved slightly more like a normal president he’d be able to get to 50%. If he dropped the xenophobic and racial stuff entirely and focused on the economy and improving people’s lives and framed it non racially he could be at 60% easily. Self inflicted wounds. A lot of what he’s doing is sellable as a good thing. He can’t figure out how to do that without alienating 20 or 30% of his potential support. I would throw a large chunk of blame at the feet of Stephen Miller on this one. He’s the immigration guru and comes up with a lot of the more divisive racial and ethnic proposals. The base loves him but he’s not so good for ratings. Despite all of the vitriol and outright hate thrown at Obama by the right he still left at 60% approval... the guy was likable and relatable where Trump really isn’t.



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Re: Mainstream media EVISCERATED Joe Biden in 1987

Post by screen glare » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:01 am

bmw -

How bout that Buttigieg?


How bout that Bernie?


How bout Putin’s unprecedented expensive Russian cyber team of election hackers messing up the Hillary Trump election?


How bout you learn the difference between Socialism and Communism?



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