Electoral Vote

[zzand]

Was surprised that no one else had posted this but the voting has gone as expected, Mr. Trump will take office in January. Not shocked all the posturing and what have you failed to turn the electors. Congratulations to Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton has now lost this election three times, election day, the abortion of a recount effort and now the Electoral vote...Has it sunk it yet, she lost.

[Deleted User 8570]

Was surprised that no one else had posted this but the voting has gone as expected, Mr. Trump will take office in January. Not shocked all the posturing and what have you failed to turn the electors. Congratulations to Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton has now lost this election three times, election day, the abortion of a recount effort and now the Electoral vote...Has it sunk it yet, she lost.

Really this is the one and only win for Mr. Trump. Todays voting is the only one that matters.

The countdown to crisis only shrinks faster from here...

[TC Talks]

How Republics End

Paul Krugman

Many people are reacting to the rise of Trumpism and nativist movements in Europe by reading history — specifically, the history of the 1930s. And they are right to do so. It takes willful blindness not to see the parallels between the rise of fascism and our current political nightmare.

But the ’30s isn’t the only era with lessons to teach us. Lately I’ve been reading a lot about the ancient world. Initially, I have to admit, I was doing it for entertainment and as a refuge from news that gets worse with each passing day. But I couldn’t help noticing the contemporary resonances of some Roman history — specifically, the tale of how the Roman Republic fell.

Here’s what I learned: Republican institutions don’t protect against tyranny when powerful people start defying political norms. And tyranny, when it comes, can flourish even while maintaining a republican facade.

On the first point: Roman politics involved fierce competition among ambitious men. But for centuries that competition was constrained by some seemingly unbreakable rules. Here’s what Adrian Goldsworthy’s “In the Name of Rome” says: “However important it was for an individual to win fame and add to his and his family’s reputation, this should always be subordinated to the good of the Republic … no disappointed Roman politician sought the aid of a foreign power.”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/op ... s-end.html

[Bryce]

The progressive movement is a much bigger harbinger of tyranny and fascism than Republicanism could ever be.

[bmw]

Kinda funny that for all the chatter about Trump electors defecting that in the end there were more Hillary electors (4) who defected (than Trump's 2).

[TC Talks]

The progressive movement is a much bigger harbinger of tyranny and fascism than Republicanism could ever be.

cite your evidence. Are you suggesting the many ways that Trump has broken with responsible leadership is better than the way our country has run for the past 100 years? And when you realize he's in it for his interests and the interest of other billionaires what will you be able to do to stop it?

[screen glare]

Donald Trump is mentally ill with NPD. And it is astounding to watch and read over and over again commentary by experienced political observers who are endlessly surprised at Trump's actions and reactions in any situation that's noteworthy.

They're always taken aback and disturbed because they assume he is mentally healthy - instead of mentally ill. If only they would memorize the symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder mixed with Attention Deficit Disorder symptoms they would not be blindsided by his actions and reactions in what he says and does.

They need to get real and start expecting his unprecedented actions, reactions, thoughts, words, deeds.
However they'll always be unable to expect and even predict his choices as long as they refuse to admit the guy is absolutly mentally ill.

Right now just about the only two people who can anticipate Trump's moves and mouth are Vlad Putin and Phil whats-his-name - who was the ghost writer for Trump's book "The Art of the Deal."

[TC Shuts Up]

Trump is a centrist. Why are you people are so paranoid about him? He won't be nearly as bad as you think. Bringing back some jobs? Keeping terrorists out? Bringing our military back to a level consistent with US importance in the world? How is that so radical?

[Deleted User 8570]

I liked the guy on Hannity's radio show that tried to pass off Trump as coming from a working class start in Queens so that's why he connects with working class people...

[Turkeytop]

Why are you people are so paranoid about him? He won't be nearly as bad as you think.

That should help everyone sleep a whole lot easier.

[Deleted User 7769]

Rampant paranoia. Love it.

You folks need to stop smoking all that pot that you want to legalize so badly.

[zzand]

Waiting on Jill Stein to demand a recount of the Electoral votes.

[craig11152]

I was not a fan of either candidate.
I have been hoping that Trump would begin to act more "presidential" after the win but that is not happening IMO.
The United States will survive the next 4 years. If I was a betting man I would very much say Trump will be a one term President. I would also say that, IMO, an impeachment would be more likely than a second term as an alternative to four years.

[Deleted User 8570]

I was not a fan of either candidate.
I have been hoping that Trump would begin to act more "presidential" after the win but that is not happening IMO.
The United States will survive the next 4 years. If I was a betting man I would very much say Trump will be a one term President. I would also say that, IMO, an impeachment would be more likely than a second term as an alternative to four years.

He doesn't have nearly a thick enough skin... he snaps and lashes out at the drop of a hat...

[Matt]

How Republics End

Paul Krugman

Many people are reacting to the rise of Trumpism and nativist movements in Europe by reading history — specifically, the history of the 1930s. And they are right to do so. It takes willful blindness not to see the parallels between the rise of fascism and our current political nightmare.

But the ’30s isn’t the only era with lessons to teach us. Lately I’ve been reading a lot about the ancient world. Initially, I have to admit, I was doing it for entertainment and as a refuge from news that gets worse with each passing day. But I couldn’t help noticing the contemporary resonances of some Roman history — specifically, the tale of how the Roman Republic fell.

Here’s what I learned: Republican institutions don’t protect against tyranny when powerful people start defying political norms. And tyranny, when it comes, can flourish even while maintaining a republican facade.

On the first point: Roman politics involved fierce competition among ambitious men. But for centuries that competition was constrained by some seemingly unbreakable rules. Here’s what Adrian Goldsworthy’s “In the Name of Rome” says: “However important it was for an individual to win fame and add to his and his family’s reputation, this should always be subordinated to the good of the Republic … no disappointed Roman politician sought the aid of a foreign power.”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/op ... s-end.html

ALWAYS with the Hitler comparison. You really need to expand your playbook. Aren't you headed to France anyway?

Krugman is a certified piece of shit and a partisan hack.