Hillary Wins Popular Vote = Protests

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Who wrote/said "The electoral college is a disaster for democracy." ?

That would be Donald Trump.

It's his tweet from 2012.

Do you think he believes that now?

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. And as all votes are counted her margin of victory swells. Donald Trumps prophetic 2012 words tweeted and retweeted have fueled a movement, alright. Just the opposite movement from the so called populist wave he's now surfed into the presidency.

Ironic. And more than that - the reason he will never unite the country behind his promises (soon to be marching orders) taking uneducated whites back to 1950's America.

[audiophile]

Maybe God has a sense of humor -

[Deleted User 9015]

Who wrote/said "The electoral college is a disaster for democracy." ?

That would be Donald Trump.

It's his tweet from 2012.

Do you think he believes that now?

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. And as all votes are counted her margin of victory swells. Donald Trumps prophetic 2012 words tweeted and retweeted have fueled a movement, alright. Just the opposite movement from the so called populist wave he's now surfed into the presidency.

Ironic. And more than that - the reason he will never unite the country behind his promises (soon to be marching orders) taking uneducated whites back to 1950's America.

Who cares? Stop worrying about Trump or Clinton being president. People are talking themselves up into a foamed tizzy. Do you really think Hillary would have been better? Honestly, both are a mess and congress has the power to keep either in line. Trump will appoint a few wackos, but Hillary would appoint a few people because money. Both suck and if people spent more time and energy engaged in the Sanders/Clinton mess, then we wouldn't be talking about Trump right now. Like all these people are protesting when the system worked like it should. It is the people who voted who are to blame. You want to be mad at someone? Be mad at the DNC. Trump won the same way anyone else would have won.

[bmw]

Trust me - Hillary winning the popular vote combined with Trump's past statement on the electoral college is NOT what is fueling the protests. What is fueling them is the inability to gracefully accept defeat.

What percentage of those protestors do you think actually voted in the election? And what percentage do you think are actually actively reaching out to their state representatives peacefully requesting changes to how their state chooses electors? I'll give you a hint - the first one is small, the second one is even smaller.

[Deleted User 9015]

Trust me - Hillary winning the popular vote combined with Trump's past statement on the electoral college is NOT what is fueling the protests. What is fueling them is the inability to gracefully accept defeat.

That's dumb. It's not an "inability to gracefully accept defeat", it is that people are pushing one another into complete anger on social media and they are using the election results as a vehicle to vent general frustration about a system that they don't understand. It's sorta like with the TEA Party mess, except for old white people aren't going to riot or break shit because they have more to lose than younger people.

Trump won the election, not Trump voters. The voters voting for him are why he won, but you're personalizing it way too much and that's kinda like what kids do. Its childish.

What percentage of those protestors do you think actually voted in the election? And what percentage do you think are actually actively reaching out to their state representatives peacefully requesting changes to how their state chooses electors? I'll give you a hint - the first one is small, the second one is even smaller.

Sounds like you have the numbers, feel free to post them.

But then, its fun answering your own questions by making shit up.

Either way, it likely is a small number but I am not going to pretend I know things I don't, I will leave that to you.

[Calvert DeForest]

This comes up whenever there is a discrepancy between the electoral vote and the popular vote. Had the situation be the reversed, the Republicans would be the ones calling for the dismantling of the Electoral College. Just the way it goes.

The Electoral College exists for a reason. The Founding Fathers feared that a direct democracy would result in mob rule. They had seen contemporary and historical examples of direct democracies that failed miserably, so they established a representative republic instead. Still a democracy, but with a "middleman" to prevent a popular majority of the people from running amok and doing whatever it wants. While the electors pledge to cast their votes according to the majority of the popular vote in any given state, they are not legally bound to follow the popular vote of their state. An elector could theoretically vote for any candidate they choose. It's rare for an elector to cast a contrary vote, but it has happened on occasion. The Electoral College is there to provide an extra step of scrutiny so that 51% of the population doesn't get a wild hair up its ass and elect, say, Charles Manson on a whim.

That being said, the Electoral College does have some serious issues and probably needs to be reformed. People in less-populated states, for instance, don't have as much exposure to presidential candidates because those states have fewer electoral votes up for grabs (the candidates just don't bother going there). The problem is further magnified by the concept of a "winner take all" state where a simple majority of the popular vote triggers 100% of the electoral vote. Reforming the system so that a state's electoral percentage is aligned with its popular percentage would eliminate the so-called "battleground states", and would force candidates to work harder and reach more voters in their campaigns (which I'm sure is the last thing they want).

Is the Electoral College broken? Yes. Is it in need of reform? Absolutely! Should we throw the baby out with the bath water? No.

[audiophile]

Cal: It usually fizzles out by Jan 20th.

[jry]

Whatever. He won and if they count absentee and military ballots, he'll have the popular vote as well. Those skew 66% republican. There's two million of them in CA, alone.

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Pretty astounding how this popular "one voter one vote" race is going as opposed to the rigged electoral college system that (pre-election) Trump had tweeted "...is a disaster for democracy."

As votes continue to be counted Hillary Clinton is continuing to charge ahead with the majority of voters choosing her for POTUS. In fact the whole thing is moving into number totals and a margin of victory in the popular vote - unprecedented in America's history.

For those who follow the US Constitution - most of the electors gathering to cast votes in the electoral college in December are not bound by law to ignore the popular vote.

[Bryce]

As votes continue to be counted Hillary Clinton is continuing to charge ahead with the majority of voters choosing her for POTUS. In fact the whole thing is moving into number totals and a margin of victory in the popular vote - unprecedented in America's history.

Which is a perfect example of why the Electoral College was instituted in the first place and it worked as intended.

We (The United States) are a federal republic and not a democracy. Although most on the left would love the concept of state sovereignty to be eliminated and have an all powerful federal government dictate to all, that ain't what this country was founded to be, that's what our founders were trying to keep from happening.

Take a look at these numbers from the New York Times:

Land Area
Clinton’s America
15%
530,000 square miles


Trump’s America
85%
3,000,000 square miles

Population
Clinton’s America
54%
174 million


Trump’s America
46%
148 million

Popular Vote
As of Friday, Nov. 18. Percentages are for Trump
and Clinton votes only and exclude other candidates.

For Clinton
50.5%
62.1 million


For Trump
49.5%
61.0 million

The Electoral College system has worked as intended by protecting the less populated states from being dictated to by the large population centers. In other words, mob rule.

[Calvert DeForest]

The Electoral College system has worked as intended by protecting the less populated states from being dictated to by the large population centers. In other words, mob rule.

Agreed, but the winner-take-all thing needs a serious looksy. Voters in less-populated states are being effectively ignored because of high concentrations of electoral votes in more populated winner-take-all states. Plus, it sends a "don't bother" message to potential voters in states that are heavily favored to go one way or the other (although that wasn't so much of a problem in this election).

[screen glare]

Bryce , you'd better inform your Fearful Leader Dumbass Donald that the US is not a democracy - because according to his tweet notifying the world the electoral college is "...a disaster for democracy" - the con man himself has been conned.

Just take a trip up his golden elevator shaft at The Towering Inferno of White Hot Hate - and deliver your message in person.

[audiophile]

Clinton are Trump both liars and flip-floppers...

We can only pray now.

[Calvert DeForest]

Clinton are Trump both liars and flip-floppers...

We can only pray now.

What disgusts me most is the emotional manipulation practiced by both throughout this whole thing. Friendships have been destroyed. Family relationships have been strained. All for what amounts to a big game of rhetoric and slogans devoid of any real substance.

The Holidays are coming up. There will be a lot of social gatherings. The election will be a topic of conversation, and emotions on both perceived sides are still running high. I pray that we can all just step back, take a deep breath and appreciate what we have.

[Bryce]

Bryce , you'd better inform your Fearful Leader Dumbass Donald that the US is not a democracy - because according to his tweet notifying the world the electoral college is "...a disaster for democracy" - the con man himself has been conned.
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Ok, so both of you are misguided. It would appear, at least in this instance, you and T Rump think alike.