KKK to Stage a Trump Victory Parade

[Calvert DeForest]

I think there's one fact that people haven't come to terms yet....the industrial revolution is over.

That isn't a left-right issue, nor is is a capitalism vs socialism issue. It's just reality. The manufacturing jobs that people are hoping will return haven't just gone overseas....they've evaporated into the sphere of automation and robotics.

We're in the technological revolution now. That's where the jobs are. Perhaps we should invest in re-training people toward this end instead of promising to return them to a by-gone era.

[Bryce]

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[Bryce]

Gotta blow the wistle on this my friend.

Hate and bigotry was certainly legitimate well before President Elect T Rump came on the scene.

As a matter of fact, I know someone that is biggoted and filled with hate for people that, when simply trying to provide for their family and feed their children, cross a picket line to work.

There is also this person that is biggoted and filled with hate for people that belong to motorcycle clubs.

If I dislike my neighbour because of his race, ethnicity, colour, religion, age, gender or sexual orientation, that is bigotry.

If I dislike my neighbour because he's an a**hole, or because of bad choices he has made in his life, that might make me a troublesome neighbour, but it doesn't make me a bigot.

Oh, so it's only bigotry if the group you hate is on a certain list?

I really dislike rappers. I don't like their music, their lyrics, how they act, how they dress, their values nor their lifestyle. People say I'm a bigot and some say racist because of this viewpoint. Why is that different than hating bikers?

[Turkeytop]

If I'm a scab or a biker, a smoker or a gun owner or if I'm using a cell phone in the restaurant it's because I have made that choice. I've left myself wide open to people who don't like the choices I have made.

People who are black or Irish or gay or disabled didn't chose to be what they are and needn't apologize for what they are.

People on the "list", as you call it, are protected under the law from discrimination. At least they are in this country and, I expect, in yours as well. I don't believe rappers are on the protected list.

[Bryce]

Rappers are no more on a "protected" list than bikers are. Both boil down to lifestyle choices.

[Turkeytop]

Rappers are no more on a "protected" list than bikers are. Both boil down to lifestyle choices.

Agreed.

Both are equally obnoxious.

But if I don't want to see or hear rappers, I can just stay away from their events. Bikers force me to see them and hear them whether I want to or not.

[Bryce]

Yet, I don't recall you being labeled a bigot for your distaste of bikers.

Anyway, my point is that ALL of us are biggoted against something or some group. Depending on what the something or someone is, you're allowed to get away with it.

Hell, one of the presidential candidates exhibited bigotry toward a groupnof T Rump supporters. Not a riot or march could be found because if it.

[Turkeytop]

Well, I disagree with you but just to humour you here is my list of people or groups I dislike and you can call it bigotry if you want.

Scabs

Bikers

Smokers

Hunters

Trappers

Poachers

Cell phone users

Liberals

Middle class

Snowmobilers

Jet ski riders

Rednecks

Rotarians

Drunk drivers

Bigots

(more to follow)


BTW. I have friends, acquaintances and family members in just about all of these categories and we get along OK. Except for my wife's nephew, the scab. I have to force myself to be civil with him, and then have a good, stiff drink right after.

[Y M Ionhere]

Rave on, limp wristed handwringers. Liberals are just as full of hate and divisiveness. Give me a break. One reason I voted for Trump is because in my twilight years, I could not stand the thought of 8 years of Hillary the Criminal as President, followed by 8 years of that high pitched, shrieking old hag Elizabeth Warren as President. My god, how could anyone in their right mind tolerate THAT?

By the way, the KKK were originally Democrats. If they were still teaching history in school, perhaps you rubes would know this. Hey, maybe Trump can get rid of Common Core too. One can only hope.

Limp wristed? Maybe.

Hand wringer? Maybe.

Pervert? Maybe.

Sniveling bag of rat hair? Maybe.

Liberal? NEVER.

You Liberals and Conservatives are all the same. You both share the same pro-capitalist, anti-working class ideology. Conservatives are, at least, open and forthright about their disdain for the working class. Liberals lie and pretend to be our friends.

Many working-class folks ARE Conservative. Fields like art and entertainment are dominated by leftists, while the skilled trades tend to appeal to folks with more conservative-leaning values, even if they dont exactly vote that way.
Capitalism is needed for working-class jobs. Socialism is all about excessive taxation and government control, which hinders small businesses that employ working class employees.I cannot see small plumbing or tool and die companies surviving under socialism and its taxation/regulation.
Socialism: get rid of fossil fuels and encourage mass transit.Regulate factories so they fit a strict government environmental policy that limits what it can do. Then let the government decide what products it can make.
Capitalism: Hire 45,000 people to build more cars. Then we'll need thousands more for the factory that builds its components. Oh, and the dealerships. We need to staff those.
Europe is more socialist. Gas prices are high, environmental regulations strict, and public transit is pushed (the city of Paris has been cracking down on private cars, for example). Now, the auto factories are cutting shifts and even closing up. I'm sure that takes its toll on dealerships and small businesses like tire, transmission and auto body shops as well-working-class jobs.
Capitalism also allows consumers to have more freedom of choice, more options. Instead of the government pushing items you dont want, like, for example, compact cars that people wont buy, it allows choice. So buyers who want vans and pickups will actually buy something they like instead of avoiding private transportation altogether because they dont like the limited choices. More freedom and less regulation alllows working-class people in more to have more job opportunities.

Capitalism would automate these days... the days of hiring those numbers of people plus the ripple effect of the jobs ended in the 70's. Capitalism is over creating massive numbers of jobs...

Thanks for playing... your consolation prize is lots of unemployed folks over 45 with no hope of getting a new job after their factory closed the first time.

There are tons of privately owned, non-automated industrial shops near me. No robots. Welding shops, spline gauge shops, etc.
In a socialist environment, I highly doubt they could make it past a myriad of taxes and regulations.
And every time I drive by the Chrysler plants in Warren or Sterling Heights, the parking lots arent exactly empty and people are always walking around outside.Are you telling me they ALL are operating or servicing robots????

[Y M Ionhere]

Well, I disagree with you but just to humour you here is my list of people or groups I dislike and you can call it bigotry if you want.

Scabs

Bikers

Smokers

Hunters

Trappers

Poachers

Cell phone users

Liberals

Middle class

Snowmobilers

Jet ski riders

Rednecks

Rotarians

Drunk drivers

Bigots

(more to follow)


BTW. I have friends, acquaintances and family members in just about all of these categories and we get along OK. Except for my wife's nephew, the scab. I have to force myself to be civil with him, and then have a good, stiff drink right after.

There is only ONE group I can think of that I would put on my list:

Socialists

Maybe Prius drivers, because of smugness and the fact that those cars are so freaking ugly and are always holding up traffic.

[Turkeytop]

That smug attitude is why some people disparagingly mispronounce the vehicle's name as Pious.

[Deleted User 8570]

Rave on, limp wristed handwringers. Liberals are just as full of hate and divisiveness. Give me a break. One reason I voted for Trump is because in my twilight years, I could not stand the thought of 8 years of Hillary the Criminal as President, followed by 8 years of that high pitched, shrieking old hag Elizabeth Warren as President. My god, how could anyone in their right mind tolerate THAT?

By the way, the KKK were originally Democrats. If they were still teaching history in school, perhaps you rubes would know this. Hey, maybe Trump can get rid of Common Core too. One can only hope.

Limp wristed? Maybe.

Hand wringer? Maybe.

Pervert? Maybe.

Sniveling bag of rat hair? Maybe.

Liberal? NEVER.

You Liberals and Conservatives are all the same. You both share the same pro-capitalist, anti-working class ideology. Conservatives are, at least, open and forthright about their disdain for the working class. Liberals lie and pretend to be our friends.

Many working-class folks ARE Conservative. Fields like art and entertainment are dominated by leftists, while the skilled trades tend to appeal to folks with more conservative-leaning values, even if they dont exactly vote that way.
Capitalism is needed for working-class jobs. Socialism is all about excessive taxation and government control, which hinders small businesses that employ working class employees.I cannot see small plumbing or tool and die companies surviving under socialism and its taxation/regulation.
Socialism: get rid of fossil fuels and encourage mass transit.Regulate factories so they fit a strict government environmental policy that limits what it can do. Then let the government decide what products it can make.
Capitalism: Hire 45,000 people to build more cars. Then we'll need thousands more for the factory that builds its components. Oh, and the dealerships. We need to staff those.
Europe is more socialist. Gas prices are high, environmental regulations strict, and public transit is pushed (the city of Paris has been cracking down on private cars, for example). Now, the auto factories are cutting shifts and even closing up. I'm sure that takes its toll on dealerships and small businesses like tire, transmission and auto body shops as well-working-class jobs.
Capitalism also allows consumers to have more freedom of choice, more options. Instead of the government pushing items you dont want, like, for example, compact cars that people wont buy, it allows choice. So buyers who want vans and pickups will actually buy something they like instead of avoiding private transportation altogether because they dont like the limited choices. More freedom and less regulation alllows working-class people in more to have more job opportunities.

Capitalism would automate these days... the days of hiring those numbers of people plus the ripple effect of the jobs ended in the 70's. Capitalism is over creating massive numbers of jobs...

Thanks for playing... your consolation prize is lots of unemployed folks over 45 with no hope of getting a new job after their factory closed the first time.

There are tons of privately owned, non-automated industrial shops near me. No robots. Welding shops, spline gauge shops, etc.
In a socialist environment, I highly doubt they could make it past a myriad of taxes and regulations.
And every time I drive by the Chrysler plants in Warren or Sterling Heights, the parking lots arent exactly empty and people are always walking around outside.Are you telling me they ALL are operating or servicing robots????

No but I am saying they have well under half what they did employment wise...

[audiophile]

Maybe Prius drivers, because of smugness and the fact that those cars are so freaking ugly and are always holding up traffic.

LOL. They always seem always drive slow.

What they didn't realize is they got scammed - The Toyota Echo was the almost the same car at half the price:

The Toyota Echo (2005)
MPG: 42 highway
Engine: 1.5 L 4-cylinder
Horsepower: 108 hp
Wheel size: 14″ diameter, 5.5″ width
Dimensions: 165″ L x 65″ W x 59″ H
MSRP: $11,255.00

The Toyota Prius (2005)
Battery: 202 V nickel-metal hydride
MPG: 51 highway
Engine: 1.5 L 4-cylinder
Dimensions: 175″ L x 68″ W x 58″ H
Horsepower: 110 hp
Curb weight: 2,890 lbs
MSRP: $21,275.00


Prius Fuel Savings per 100,000 miles : $1260 (based on $3 gal)
Net loss over Echo: $8760