On a scale of 0-10, how worried are you about coronavirus?

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MGM Grand Detroit will be closing for at least 2 weeks starting Monday at 5pm... get those bets in soon if that was what was in the cards for you tomorrow...

[bmw]

LTN - I'm going to assume based on your response and the glaring lack of knowledge you exhibit regarding the impact that this could have on the average SMALL business owner that you yourself have never owned or run a small business in your life. For you to sit there and suggest that the millions of Americans who depend on their small business that they worked hard to build and run and depend on every day to pay the rent and put food on the table (myself included) are not justified in being concerned about the long-term impact this might have on their lives is, aside from being incredibly arrogant, just plain ludicrous. You make it sound like I'm somehow getting filthy rich off of my small business venture. Not true. I'm barely above the federally-defined poverty line. So if the states or the feds ever mandate the shutdown of all non-essential businesses (like I know I saw you suggest somewhere in this forum recently), it is no exaggeration to say that it wouldn't be long before my business went belly-up. As would be the case for literally millions of other small businesses.

And to you and others who claim this is about "saving lives," spare me the moral superiority already. Seriously. Just stop. People die as a result of things they have no control over. That is a part of life. You can't just zero in on these particular lives lost like they're so important as to warrant Americans giving up their rights and freedoms while also ignoring the vast majority of all the other lives lost to some other cause. What is it that makes the 50 or so American lives lost to Coronavirus so much more important than the 10 lives that will be lost to other causes before I even finish typing this message?

You want to save lives? Ban alcohol. Ban tobacco. Ban junk food. Lower the speed limit. Those actions will save far more lives than these government-mandated shutdowns could ever dream of saving.

[bmw]

MGM Grand Detroit will be closing for at least 2 weeks starting Monday at 5pm... get those bets in soon if that was what was in the cards for you tomorrow...

As a legal matter, I'm wondering what authority the state would have to mandate the shutdown of Indian-owned casinos like Soaring Eagle?

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None. They are a sovereign nation.

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LANSING, MICH. The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) announced today 20 positive cases of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). This brings the state total of COVID-19 cases to 53.

The cases include:
Washtenaw County, three adult males, all with a history of international travel.
Detroit, adult female with unknown travel history.
Oakland County, adult female with contact with a person with COVID-19.
Detroit, adult female with contact with a person with COVID-19.
Macomb County, adult female with unknown travel history.
Oakland County, male child with contact with a person with COVID-19
Kent County, adult male with unknown travel history and unknown contact history.
Oakland County, adult male with unknown travel and contact history.
Wayne County, adult male with unknown travel and contact history.
Ottawa County, adult female with unknown travel and contact history.
Clair County, adult female with contact with a person with COVID-19.
Macomb County, two adult males with no travel or contact reported.
Wayne County, adult male with no travel or contact reported.
Oakland County, adult male with international travel history.
Oakland County, adult male with no history of travel or contacts.
Detroit, adult female with no history of travel or contacts.
Kent County, adult male with history of domestic travel.

COVID-19 symptoms may appear in as few as two days or as long as 14 days after exposure to the virus.

They include:
Fever.
Cough.
Shortness of breath.This is a rapidly evolving situation.
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It looks like the state's aggressive action is working to slow the spread. It will spike, but the longer it takes the better.

I bet when this is over BMW will complain that not enough people died.

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How can you determinate that the state's aggressive policy is working? They announced 20 new cases.

Evidence is that it did little to nothing.

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Leaked NHS document lasts until Spring 2021:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... spitalised

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Leaked NHS document lasts until Spring 2021:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... spitalised

That’s precisely why their hair is on fire... it’s worse that they let on I think...

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Leaked NHS document lasts until Spring 2021:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... spitalised

So, unlike other viruses, you can get it over and over. This means it can become like a feedback loop. Watch what happens to China. Chances are there will be a series of "peaks" like a damped sine wave. You don't want to think about the odds that it will morph as it evolves.

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So, unlike other viruses, you can get it over and over. This means it can become like a feedback loop.

I'll ignore the earlier cheap shot, but I'm not going to ignore your continued presentation of factually false or unsupported claims. While there are examples of people testing positive more than once, we simply don't have enough information yet to determine how likely or even if re-infection can occur. Forbes just published a story about this yesterday. https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... clnk&gl=us

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Europe is in state of shock because the EU policy of open borders aggravated it for them.

Trump was leading the charge to pinch off our borders early on.

Trump foresaw that open borders are not a good idea for multiple reasons: including national security, self sufficiency, jobs, and other multinational threats.

[bmw]

Also - before everyone panics and thinks that upwards of 80% of the US population will become infected at some point this year, I think it is fair to point out that there is a direct correlation between population density and virus spread. Densities per square mile are as follows:

12,652 - Tehran, Iran
1,303 - South Korea
815 - Hubei (China outbreak central)
707 - UK
623 - Germany
532 - Italy
308 - France
237 - Spain
94 - USA

While there are certainly areas in the US that have MUCH higher densities, large-scale outbreaks will theoretically be somewhat limited to those regions. The more spread out the population, the slower the spread of the virus. That's just basic math and science. As a nation on the whole, our density is nowhere near that of other nations and regions currently seeing epidemics.

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Also - before everyone panics and thinks that upwards of 80% of the US population will become infected at some point this year, I think it is fair to point out that there is a direct correlation between population density and virus spread. Densities per square mile are as follows:

12,652 - Tehran, Iran
1,303 - South Korea
815 - Hubei (China outbreak central)
707 - UK
623 - Germany
532 - Italy
308 - France
237 - Spain
94 - USA

While there are certainly areas in the US that have MUCH higher densities, large-scale outbreaks will theoretically be somewhat limited to those regions. The more spread out the population, the slower the spread of the virus. That's just basic math and science. As a nation on the whole, our density is nowhere near that of other nations and regions currently seeing epidemics.

But all of the services needed to survive are in dense areas... so your statistic is more because of our size than our spread out population. All it takes is a couple people going to the nearest big city and coming back with it.

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My point is that the RATE of increase of new cases in the US as a whole should be significantly lower than in the hardest hit areas around the world. I'm just saying that given our land mass, there is a lot of the population that has social distancing already kind of built-in.

On a lighter note - with Mexico having relatively few cases, maybe they'll be the ones building and paying for the wall and Trump WILL keep his campaign promise in that regard.