This is the United States of America, not China

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Give the government time. It won't be long before you can't step foot out of your house.

Trump just announced 3 things:
1)The elderly and those vulnerable to viruses should stay home.

2) Don’t gather in groups larger than 10 people.

3)It will be probably July or August before this “washes through”...

[TC Talks]

My industry just laid off about 2,500,000 people today. It's an uncertain future, but it can go well (fewer people die) or it can go poorly. If only we had a pandemic response team that could have started working on this in October. Just think how much money we saved as a nation by eliminating that socialistic endeavor. Has it occurred to you that your guy in DC just fuck every small business in the US? Isn't that part of the problem here?

[audiophile]

Give the government time. It won't be long before you can't step foot out of your house.

Trump just announced 3 things:
1)The elderly and those vulnerable to viruses should stay home.

2) Don’t gather in groups larger than 10 people.

3)It will be probably July or August before this “washes through”...

Suggestions an mandates are very different things.

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Give the government time. It won't be long before you can't step foot out of your house.

Trump just announced 3 things:
1)The elderly and those vulnerable to viruses should stay home.

2) Don’t gather in groups larger than 10 people.

3)It will be probably July or August before this “washes through”...

Suggestions an mandates are very different things.

Nobody is paying attention to nuances right now... they hear don’t be near more than 10 people and that’s what they’ll do.

[audiophile]

My industry just laid off about 2,500,000 people today. It's an uncertain future, but it can go well (fewer people die) or it can go poorly. If only we had a pandemic response team that could have started working on this in October. Just think how much money we saved as a nation by eliminating that socialistic endeavor. Has it occurred to you that your guy in DC just fuck every small business in the US? Isn't that part of the problem here?

Oh, so fewer people dying is the goal?

Guess how many lives we could have saved if they weren’t aborted?

Stopping abortions would have saved 40 +million more lives than the potential danger of Covid-19.

This is what makes Whitmer EO's so hypocritical. Crater the economy and personal freedoms for a potential threat, but abortions..yes, Yes, YEs, YES!!! She wants bring on the abortions even by minors without the parents knowledge!

[audiophile]

Give the government time. It won't be long before you can't step foot out of your house.

Trump just announced 3 things:
1)The elderly and those vulnerable to viruses should stay home.

2) Don’t gather in groups larger than 10 people.

3)It will be probably July or August before this “washes through”...

Suggestions and mandates are very different things.

Nobody is paying attention to nuances right now... they hear don’t be near more than 10 people and that’s what they’ll do.

You make a good point...

Many will comply, so why do under EO's and threat of jail?

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Give the government time. It won't be long before you can't step foot out of your house.

Trump just announced 3 things:
1)The elderly and those vulnerable to viruses should stay home.

2) Don’t gather in groups larger than 10 people.

3)It will be probably July or August before this “washes through”...

Suggestions and mandates are very different things.

Nobody is paying attention to nuances right now... they hear don’t be near more than 10 people and that’s what they’ll do.

You make a good point...

Many will comply, so why do under EO's and threat of jail?

Because the folks who don’t will spread it at will and defeat the purpose.

[bmw]

Because the folks who don’t will spread it at will and defeat the purpose.

That's their own fault. Nobody is forcing anybody to go out into public. Nothing is stopping people afraid of the virus from self-quarantining.

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Because the folks who don’t will spread it at will and defeat the purpose.

That's their own fault. Nobody is forcing anybody to go out into public. Nothing is stopping people afraid of the virus from self-quarantining.

But the problem is that if everyone is asked pretty please then some people won’t and the people who catch it from the morons are in the line of fire essentially. That’s not their fault. The people who cannot follow simple directions need some consequences for what they’ve done to the broader society... I think misdemeanors are probably appropriate or maybe fines. Essentially the individualist stuff was cute when it was 10 cases in the U.S. but we are into how it effects society at this point. Not individuals. I can’t really think of another way to stop it from spreading besides what they are doing...

[bmw]

South Korea seems to be on top of things. Their new cases have been falling every day for a week now. And they didn't even have to go into lockdown.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03 ... ts-success

[screen glare]

Shut ‘er down, Boys! Batten the hatches. Battle stations.
THIS is War!

And if you can’t get with the program - jump overboard, bmw.

All necessary to make up for lost time when your inglorious bastard Trump F—ked Up!

So when you’re locked in your house for months, or reclining on a MASH bed with a machine breathing for you - just remember - Make America Great Again!

Red hats! Wake Up Time!

[MWmetalhead]

And most alarming to me out of all of this, as it pertains to the long-term viability of our republic, is not this relatively non-deadly virus, but rather the degree to which Americans seem to be willing to so quickly give up their personal freedoms all in the name of security or in the name of saving lives.

How dare Americans change their lives to contain a virus that is deadly to the elderly and those with pre-existing health issues!

I am perfectly fine with REASONABLE measures being taken. But the government telling small business owners that they no longer have control over what hours they can operate or what otherwise legal services they can offer - that is totalitarianism. And the current restrictions are NOTHING compared to what we're going to see 2 to 3 weeks out.

What qualifies as "reasonable" in your estimation?

[bmw]

And most alarming to me out of all of this, as it pertains to the long-term viability of our republic, is not this relatively non-deadly virus, but rather the degree to which Americans seem to be willing to so quickly give up their personal freedoms all in the name of security or in the name of saving lives.

How dare Americans change their lives to contain a virus that is deadly to the elderly and those with pre-existing health issues!

I'm so tired of this "this is about saving lives" argument, because in my opinion, it is a disingenuous argument. Americans are completely unwilling to put down their cell phones while driving (to the tune of killing 6,000 Americans every year) or to drive slower (to the tune of 30,000 Americans killed in the past 50 years due to our higher speed limits - I wish I could find that study). THEY ARE UNWILLING TO DO THESE BASIC THINGS TO SAVE THOUSANDS OF LIVES EVERY YEAR. But they're willing to live in near lock-down conditions to save the lives of people at risk for dying from the Coronavirus? Numbers which at least thus far pale in comparison to the two types of easily avoidable deaths I just mentioned if people simply gave up a tiny fraction of the rights which they're being asked to give up now? I'm sorry, but something just doesn't add up here. Until someone can explain to me what it is that makes these particular lives more worth saving than others, then I consider this a BS argument.

I am perfectly fine with REASONABLE measures being taken. But the government telling small business owners that they no longer have control over what hours they can operate or what otherwise legal services they can offer - that is totalitarianism. And the current restrictions are NOTHING compared to what we're going to see 2 to 3 weeks out.

What qualifies as "reasonable" in your estimation?

Firstly, I think the decisions should be left to officials at a more local level than at the state level because there is not a one-size-fits-all solution for the entire state of Michigan. That said, there are a few things that nearly everybody agrees works:
-Washing your hands for 20 seconds after touching a public surface;
-If after touching a public surface you don't have immediate access to some way to wash your hands, then at least not touching your face until you can do so;
-Maintaining 6 feet worth of social distancing.

Those are the big 3. As far as measures being taken on how to get people to do those things, the biggest one is NOTIFYING the public repeatedly. Radio. TV. Newspapers. Online. Everywhere. Education is key here. Second is to issue mandates to business owners to take actions which enforce a 6-foot distance between different customers. There are many different ways this can be accomplished depending on the business. I don't think a full-blown shutdown of various "types" of businesses is the answer. If small business owners are one thing, it is creative and innovative. Most can figure out creative ways to run their business within these kinds of confines.

[TC Talks]

You seem to be having SUCH a hard time with this pandemic. Yet you won't blame either Trump or God for causing the problem of uncertainty we face without adequate testing or scientific leadership or the ability to collaborate with the rest of the world?

If you sat in any local JOC meeting you would hear the frustration about our lack of national leadership and appreciation for what Whitmer has done in Michigan. You're just an armchair bystander.

[Lester The Nightfly]

The thing you have never addressed or acknowledged during all your rants about speeding, being overweight, smoking or any of your other straw man arguments that may cause harm to life is that those participants have a CHOICE whether or not to engaging in high-risk behavior. An elderly man or woman boarding an airplane to see their grandchild, a mother going grocery shopping to get food for their kids or a couple stepping out for dinner on a date are not, and should not ever be classified as dealing in life threatening behavior. They are not making a choice to be reckless. This was put in their lap by no fault of their own. It's really that simple.