Sweden had lowest excess death rate in all of Europe from 2020-2022

[bmw]

While I was the lone person in here praising Sweden for how they handled the pandemic and (nearly) everyone else in here was criticizing their strategy, it turns out that they had the lowest excess death rate during the first 3 years of the pandemic of any country in Europe.

Quite interesting for a country that also had the fewest government mandates, including lockdowns and masks, and also the country that actually had the lowest mask usage (by far) of any first-world country that never exceeded 10 percent of the population wearing masks.



https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/sw ... ess-deaths

[TC Talks]

That is worth studying. Having been to Sweden, I know the country is well educated and citizens are very responsible for each other. I'm going to guess that their Education Secretary didnt fund a rally to protest the rules (even if they didn't have mandatory orders, they had rules) and their politicians didn't politicize a global pandemic. It's a country of mature adults.

Also, they are largely a socialist country...

The Swedish health care system is mainly government-funded, universal for all citizens and decentralized,[1] although private health care also exists. The health care system in Sweden is financed primarily through taxes levied by county councils and municipalities. A total of 21 councils are in charge with primary and hospital care within the country.

Private healthcare is a rarity in Sweden, and even those private institutions work under the mandated city councils.[2] The city councils regulates the rules and the establishment of potential private practices. Although in most countries care for the elderly or those who need psychiatric help is conducted privately, in Sweden local, publicly funded authorities are in charge of this type of care.[3]

[Matt]

That is worth studying. Having been to Sweden, I know the country is well educated and citizens are very responsible for each other. I'm going to guess that their Education Secretary didnt fund a rally to protest the rules (even if they didn't have mandatory orders, they had rules) and their politicians didn't politicize a global pandemic. It's a country of mature adults.

Also, they are largely a socialist country...

The Swedish health care system is mainly government-funded, universal for all citizens and decentralized,[1] although private health care also exists. The health care system in Sweden is financed primarily through taxes levied by county councils and municipalities. A total of 21 councils are in charge with primary and hospital care within the country.

Private healthcare is a rarity in Sweden, and even those private institutions work under the mandated city councils.[2] The city councils regulates the rules and the establishment of potential private practices. Although in most countries care for the elderly or those who need psychiatric help is conducted privately, in Sweden local, publicly funded authorities are in charge of this type of care.[3]

The lockdowns and bullshit unconstitutional edicts from Whitmer were useless and worthy of being protested.

[FakeAndyStuart]

AND the thread turns political.

Sweden had a very high vaccination rate, with numbers I've seen of over 85% vaccinated. (One study says, based on the number of doses, Sweden could have jabbed 110% of their population.)

The biggest problem with COVID in America was the lack of a coordinated response. We dealt with SARS, a similar disease (not spread as easily, I admit) that basically went away. The people who handled that wrote a game plan, and provided it to the next Presidential administration. Reports are that it was discarded. The haphazard "every state for themselves" method of dealing with COVID caused any number of problems, including politically. And now we have a country where we can't even agree on the facts.

In the 1950's/60's polio was killing people. A vaccine was developed and people took it. And lives were saved. Because of the politicization of EVERYTHING, that just can't happen today. And it's sad.

[kager]

AND the thread turns political.

AND it's rightly in PolPot.

[Matt]

AND the thread turns political.

AND it's rightly in PolPot.

[Bryce]

They most likely practiced social distancing better than some Michigan residents.

[Chrocket87]

Let’s look at Covid deaths by country, using countries that are quite comparable:
Sweden: 24,755
Denmark: 8,792
Norway: 5,626
Finland: 10,157
Add the lower three and you get 24,575.

Perhaps you should be praising why the Nordic countries performed better than us and think of some health care-related factors that we don’t have.
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/sweden/

[bmw]

Aside from you dishonestly failing to mention that Sweden has roughly double the population of each of those 3 individual countries (and thus 1/2 the deaths on a per-capita basis), there's a real discrepancy in those numbers, isn't there? In order for both sets of numbers (excess mortality and deaths attributable to Covid) to be true, that means excess deaths by other causes had to be down significantly in Sweden compared to its neighbors.

[Chrocket87]

Estimated Population :

Sweden 10.42 million
Denmark 5.85 million
Norway 5.4 million
Finland 5.54 million
Add the bottom three, you get 16.79 million versus 10.42 million, yet less deaths.
Excess deaths just accounts for deaths, but who knows from what. The deaths I posted are reported Covid deaths.

[TC Talks]

Estimated Population :

Sweden 10.42 million
Denmark 5.85 million
Norway 5.4 million
Finland 5.54 million
Add the bottom three, you get 16.79 million versus 10.42 million, yet less deaths.
Excess deaths just accounts for deaths, but who knows from what. The deaths I posted are reported Covid deaths.

BMW POWNED!

But wait, how can he manipulate the numbers?

[bmw]

Excess deaths just accounts for deaths, but who knows from what. The deaths I posted are reported Covid deaths.

But that's the whole point. "Who knows from what." Am I supposed to believe that Sweden just coincidentally had fewer deaths from other causes (and it would have to be significantly fewer to offset the supposed Covid-attributed deaths and still be lower overall)? Your intellectual curiosity ends with "who knows why"?

[Matt]

Estimated Population :

Sweden 10.42 million
Denmark 5.85 million
Norway 5.4 million
Finland 5.54 million
Add the bottom three, you get 16.79 million versus 10.42 million, yet less deaths.
Excess deaths just accounts for deaths, but who knows from what. The deaths I posted are reported Covid deaths.

BMW POWNED!

But wait, how can he manipulate the numbers?

No, he wasn't, unless you dumb down quantitative analysis and completely disregard qualitative analysis.

[TC Talks]

Excess deaths just accounts for deaths, but who knows from what. The deaths I posted are reported Covid deaths.

But that's the whole point. "Who knows from what." Am I supposed to believe that Sweden just coincidentally had fewer deaths from other causes (and it would have to be significantly fewer to offset the supposed Covid-attributed deaths and still be lower overall)? Your intellectual curiosity ends with "who knows why"?

So you are suggesting that Sweden rigged their numbers too? Way to zig to conspiracy.

[MWmetalhead]

While Sweden didn't have mask mandates or onerous lockdowns, there were tight public gathering restrictions, capacity limits on bars and restaurants, etc. I would be curious to know how common (or not) voluntary mask usage was in Sweden.

Swedes in general live a healthier lifestyle than the typical American, so it stands to reason that their population would have a better immune response in fighting COVID (meaning less severe symptoms).

It's also hard to compare true COVID deaths per capita by Scandinavian country because as the CATO article noted, these countries all have different standards for what counts as a COVID-induced fatality. Given this apples to oranges impediment, excess death count percentages compared to pre-COVID years are a reasonable proxy.