Michigan sign stealing scandal

[Motown322]

I think it's a dumb rule too... but it's still a rule. I just have a very hard time believing that Harbaugh is bumping into this guy on the sidelines 12 times a season and has no idea what he does or why he's there. A fanbase playing the "moral and ethical superiority" card all the time when there's always some shit swirling around this guy and his staff is funny though.

[Honeyman]

I think it's a dumb rule too... but it's still a rule. I just have a very hard time believing that Harbaugh is bumping into this guy on the sidelines 12 times a season and has no idea what he does or why he's there. A fanbase playing the "moral and ethical superiority" card all the time when there's always some shit swirling around this guy and his staff is funny though.

In Matt's blue world, Jimmy didn’t know the guy next to him translating the opponents signals and commanding a $100k/yr expense report, was stealing those signals. Bo didn’t know his football doctor to whom he threatened to send underachieving football players was actually sexually assaulting them. But Izzo and Dantonio definitely knew what the gymnastics trainer was up to.

[Matt]

I think it's a dumb rule too... but it's still a rule. I just have a very hard time believing that Harbaugh is bumping into this guy on the sidelines 12 times a season and has no idea what he does or why he's there. A fanbase playing the "moral and ethical superiority" card all the time when there's always some shit swirling around this guy and his staff is funny though.

In Matt's blue world, Jimmy didn’t know the guy next to him translating the opponents signals and commanding a $100k/yr expense report, was stealing those signals. Bo didn’t know his football doctor to whom he threatened to send underachieving football players was actually sexually assaulting them. But Izzo and Dantonio definitely knew what the gymnastics trainer was up to.

I think it's reasonable to assume that the skill set was recognized, but the method was not. Also, the cumulative outlay was probably about $10k on the high end, not $100k. Additionally, stealing signals is not illegal.

[MasterB]

I don't believe it's as major as the media is making it out to be in my opinion and it is an outdated rule to begin with. It's the NCAA picking on Jim Harbaugh for no reason but he will be going back to the NFL after the season is over.

[Honeyman]

I think it's a dumb rule too... but it's still a rule. I just have a very hard time believing that Harbaugh is bumping into this guy on the sidelines 12 times a season and has no idea what he does or why he's there. A fanbase playing the "moral and ethical superiority" card all the time when there's always some shit swirling around this guy and his staff is funny though.

In Matt's blue world, Jimmy didn’t know the guy next to him translating the opponents signals and commanding a $100k/yr expense report, was stealing those signals. Bo didn’t know his football doctor to whom he threatened to send underachieving football players was actually sexually assaulting them. But Izzo and Dantonio definitely knew what the gymnastics trainer was up to.

I think it's reasonable to assume that the skill set was recognized, but the method was not. Also, the cumulative outlay was probably about $10k on the high end, not $100k. Additionally, stealing signals is not illegal.

“Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited,” the NCAA rule book states.

Another NCAA rule reads, “Any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited.”

[Honeyman]

This is bullshit. Michigan has NOT "consistently bent/broken the rules."

https://mwolverine.com/Scandals_Michigan.html

[Rate This]

This is bullshit. Michigan has NOT "consistently bent/broken the rules."

https://mwolverine.com/Scandals_Michigan.html

[craig11152]

Another NCAA rule reads, “Any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited.”

which rule is that?

[Honeyman]

Another NCAA rule reads, “Any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited.”

which rule is that?

The article only states, "From the 2023 NCAA rule book":

The 2023 NCAA football rule book addresses sign stealing in a general way under a section titled Prohibited Field Equipment. It states that “any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited.” No corresponding penalty is listed

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ncaa-i ... 14176.html

[Matt]

This is bullshit. Michigan has NOT "consistently bent/broken the rules."

https://mwolverine.com/Scandals_Michigan.html

What's so funny? That someone is such a loser that they've compiled a 1995 website on legal issues of players and former players dating back decades AND multiple sports?

[craig11152]

Another NCAA rule reads, “Any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited.”

which rule is that?

From the 2023 NCAA rule book:

The 2023 NCAA football rule book addresses sign stealing in a general way under a section titled Prohibited Field Equipment. It states that “any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited.” No corresponding penalty is listed

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ncaa-i ... 14176.html

That rule applies to a game being played live. It does not apply to the scouting of a team for future use. So it is NOT a second violation on top of the illegal scouting.

[Honeyman]

https://www.si.com/college/2023/10/25/m ... en-signals

In a lengthy text exchange from 2021, Stalions boasted of sign-stealing and close relations with the Wolverines’ ‘whole staff.’ He said he envisioned leading Michigan football one day and to prepare was creating a hundreds-page-long document he called ‘the Michigan Manifesto.’

[Matt]

https://www.si.com/college/2023/10/25/m ... en-signals

In a lengthy text exchange from 2021, Stalions boasted of sign-stealing and close relations with the Wolverines’ ‘whole staff.’ He said he envisioned leading Michigan football one day and to prepare was creating a hundreds-page-long document he called ‘the Michigan Manifesto.’

So the next quote says this:

It did not take Connor Stalions long into the text conversation to start boasting about his connections to the Michigan football team: “I’m close with the whole staff,” he wrote. Particularly, he said, he “became close with CP and Jay Harbs,” apparently referring to current linebackers coach Chris Partridge and running backs and assistant special teams coach Jay Harbaugh, who is the son of head coach Jim Harbaugh.

One MAJOR problem - Chris Partridge was at Ole Miss from 2020-2022.

All this does is suggest that you had a superfan going above and beyond to help the program. I'll also point out, ALL coaches who have said something publicly and have been named have said this isn't an issue. The only people whining are the anonymous B1G cowards, enabled by media members concerned with clicks. Meanwhile, Michigan has a gag order and can't respond.

[Honeyman]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... ing-funny/

[Honeyman]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... -evidence/

”You always want to be above reproach, especially when you’re good, because you don’t want people to come back and say, ‘They’re winning because they’re cheating.’ That’s always going to be a knee-jerk reaction in my experience, ever since I was a little kid. We want to be above reproach in everything and do everything by the rules. Because if you don’t, if you cheat to win, then you’ve already lost, according to Bo Schembechler. And Bo Schembechler is about next to the word of God as you can get in my mind. It’s not the word of God, but it’s close.”

-- Jim Harbaugh