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MWmetalhead wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:10 pmIs Minnesota's field goal kicker good? If so - then I am inclined to agree.
What down was it when Minnesota threw for the TD? I've already forgotten.
I was somewhat shocked, Goff actually looked the part of an NFL QB in the first half! He made quick decisive passes downfield letting his receivers make plays. I was actually beginning to think we might just have our quarterback of the future! Then came the second half....
Completely disagree. It was 4th and less than a foot, and the way this played out was exactly why you do go for it there.moldyoldie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:48 pmCampbell going for it on fourth-and-short deep in his own end with the lead may have been the most boneheaded coaching decision I've seen from this team since Morningweg took the wind in sudden death OT!
Interesting in-depth analysis, and I'm sure the analytics wonks might agree with Campbell's call considering the percentages. However, if you DON'T get the necessary yardage you're almost guaranteed to lose the lead (which happened) and you don't give your defense the opportunity to preserve the lead. I must say, that Option 3 you propose is one for the books!bmw wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:31 pmCompletely disagree. It was 4th and less than a foot, and the way this played out was exactly why you do go for it there.moldyoldie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:48 pmCampbell going for it on fourth-and-short deep in his own end with the lead may have been the most boneheaded coaching decision I've seen from this team since Morningweg took the wind in sudden death OT!
Option 1 - Punt. Advantage - you're up 2 and Minnesota is out of FG range. Disadvantage - You give up control of the game and Minnesota can run out the clock and beat you with a FG at the buzzer.
Option 2 - Go for it. Convert and you're well on your way to victory. Fail and Minnesota already has it pretty deep in your territory, so they can't run out the clock because they can only get a few first downs and there's over 4 minutes left. And that's exactly what happened.
Option 3 - IF it had been say 4th and 15 even deeper instead of 4th and less than 1, my call would have been very unconventional. Run your QB back to your own 9 yard line and take a knee there. Then your situation is a bit over 4 minutes left, up 2, Minnesota is first and goal. You're guaranteeing your team the ball left with over 2 minutes and down 6 at worst.
Kicking a FG would still allow the Lions to win with a FG; there would still have been enough time for the Lions to merely get into FG range.Honeyman wrote: Zimmer might be dumber than Campbell. Should have run 45 seconds off the clock and kicked a FG.
Detroit doesn't want to lose a third time to a walk-off field goal. Their defense is completely incapable of keeping teams out of FG range late in games. Under my Option 3, your defense only has to make 1 stop on 1 set of downs. Then you have 2+ minutes to win with a FG. And even if you give up the TD, you still have plenty of time to come back and win with one yourself. Completely out-of-the-box thinking for sure, but pure genius if it works (of course the situation never arose, but basically I would have said anything inside your own 30 at about 4th and 6 or more would have made that strategy viable).moldyoldie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:40 pmI must say, that Option 3 you propose is one for the books!
Agreed!
This Patterson they signed off the Patriots practice squad looks legitimate, he kicks straight and true. I'm sure your question is rhetorical, but yes, I'd trust this kid.Honeyman wrote:...do you really a trust a Lion kicker to make it with the game on the line?
It seemed it was the only time he was targeted the whole game. At least he hung on! That "talent" was missing when he was with us.Matt wrote:Nice walkoff TD for Breshad Perriman yesterday! Seems like a well considered cut from Detroit earlier this year.
That was my feeling as well. Detroit was hanging in there until this happened. You could tell just watching their defense on the ensuing drive that they were deflated.moldyoldie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:26 amThat lost fumble on the opening series of the second half was the killer. All downhill from there.