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I refuse to wear a mask

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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by TC Talks » Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:52 pm

Audio, I am betting you are using safe process even though you don't believe it.


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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by audiophile » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:37 am

Of course I take safe process.

What I don't believe in is the 6' lie. I wear masks and put my debit pin in with pen.

I take responsibility for myself personally, no government needed for that.

The many of you seem like sheep, buying the government recommendations and edicts.
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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by audiophile » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:55 am

Rate This wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:43 pm
audiophile wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:05 pm
Social distancing is a joke, you need 27+ feet and three hours, indoors.
Said who exactly?
CDC is now recommending masks, they are just catching up on what I already knew.

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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by Calvert DeForest » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:45 pm

TC Shuts Up wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:10 pm
In fact, top Health Care Professionals have been in error in their recommendations, such as face masks and efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine. Medicine has been politicized in recent years, and that gives us less confidence in their recommendations in some cases. Also, Medical students in the last few years are no longer trained to think and analyze individual situations outside the box, they have been rote trained to obey protocols, some of which may not be best for individual. Remember that many protocols are about cost containment also, because of insurance company requirements.
I have no problem with a Hydroxychloroquine treatment option for people who have developed serious and/or potentially life-threatening symptoms. They way I see it, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. If it works to reduce their symptoms, all the better. If it doesn't, they're no worse off than they were before. Granted, there are side effects that need to be considered, and it may not be the optimal treatment for everyone depending on underlying health conditions, but I think the choice to at least try should be left to the patient, or to their appointed personal representative should they be unable to grant direct consent.

I struggle to understand why the governor has restricted the prescription of medications like Hydroxychloroquine as COVID treatment options (last I checked, only Michigan and Nevada have enacted such restrictions, unless other states have since followed suit). It's one thing if there's a shortage of the drug and there may not be enough for those with currently-approved diagnoses (if I'm not mistaken, the CDC has approved it for COVID treatment), but if it's just a matter of doubtful efficacy, why not leave it up to medical professionals and informed patients to make the final call?


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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by TC Talks » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:27 pm

Calvert, why is a suburban obgyn writing these scripts to his friends?

That is the restriction in place, hospitals still have access to these meds.


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Post by TC Talks » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:28 pm

audiophile wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:37 am
Of course I take safe process.

What I don't believe in is the 6' lie. I wear masks and put my debit pin in with pen.

I take responsibility for myself personally, no government needed for that.

The many of you seem like sheep, buying the government recommendations and edicts.
Who bares the responsibility for people not taking precautions?

Should doctors be able to deny services to irresponsible people?

Should people who catch the virus be on their own? Especially the old people?


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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by Calvert DeForest » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:43 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:27 pm
Calvert, why is a suburban obgyn writing these scripts to his friends?

That is the restriction in place, hospitals still have access to these meds.
I'm not saying don't monitor it, but an out-and-out prescription ban seems a bit extreme.

Many confirmed symptomatic patients are self-quarantining at home, as their symptoms haven't reached levels requiring hospitalization. We know how quickly this thing can go south. By the time they end up in the hospital it could be too late. Would you rather try a treatment while symptoms are still moderate or potentially wait until you're past the point of no return? There has to be some middle ground here.
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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by Rate This » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:48 pm

Calvert DeForest wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:43 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:27 pm
Calvert, why is a suburban obgyn writing these scripts to his friends?

That is the restriction in place, hospitals still have access to these meds.
I'm not saying don't monitor it, but an out-and-out prescription ban seems a bit extreme.

Many confirmed symptomatic patients are self-quarantining at home, as their symptoms haven't reached levels requiring hospitalization. We know how quickly this thing can go south. By the time they end up in the hospital it could be too late. Would you rather try a treatment while symptoms are still moderate or potentially wait until you're past the point of no return?
Other people 100% confirmed need those medications. They have Lupus. These folks sitting at home with moderate symptoms don’t. It needs to be administered as a last ditch at the hospital level first to see if it even works. But the Lupus patients who need it and couldn’t get it because doctors just started prescribing it to everybody including hoarding it for friends and family and even themselves (A 6 month supply in some cases) would suffer. It has to be controlled. Illinois also enacted restrictions on it and I’m sure there are more states.



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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by Calvert DeForest » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:57 pm

Rate This wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:48 pm
Other people 100% confirmed need those medications. They have Lupus. These folks sitting at home with moderate symptoms don’t. It needs to be administered as a last ditch at the hospital level first to see if it even works. But the Lupus patients who need it and couldn’t get it because doctors just started prescribing it to everybody including hoarding it for friends and family and even themselves (A 6 month supply in some cases) would suffer. It has to be controlled. Illinois also enacted restrictions on it and I’m sure there are more states.
People who need this drug for approved diagnoses should absolutely have access to it. In the meantime, shortages can be aleviated by ramping up production. Problem is the pharmaceutical companies aren't likely to do so without more clinical trials. Granted, those can take time, but we don't have as much time to waste as we're used to.


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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by Rate This » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:38 pm

Calvert DeForest wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:57 pm
Rate This wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:48 pm
Other people 100% confirmed need those medications. They have Lupus. These folks sitting at home with moderate symptoms don’t. It needs to be administered as a last ditch at the hospital level first to see if it even works. But the Lupus patients who need it and couldn’t get it because doctors just started prescribing it to everybody including hoarding it for friends and family and even themselves (A 6 month supply in some cases) would suffer. It has to be controlled. Illinois also enacted restrictions on it and I’m sure there are more states.
People who need this drug for approved diagnoses should absolutely have access to it. In the meantime, shortages can be aleviated by ramping up production. Problem is the pharmaceutical companies aren't likely to do so without more clinical trials. Granted, those can take time, but we don't have as much time to waste as we're used to.
In the meantime people who need it can’t get it because it’s been hoarded.



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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by Turkeytop » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:22 pm

lovinlife101 wrote:
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Even if required by law, I will not wear a face mask. I have a right to wear or not wear whatever I want.
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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by Bryce » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:42 pm

lovinlife101 wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:48 pm
Even if required by law, I will not wear a face mask. I have a right to wear or not wear whatever I want.
I have a feeling that if you tried to go buy groceries buck naked, local law enforcement would inform you otherwise.


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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by Turkeytop » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:47 pm

You're forgetting. He doesn't believe in local law enforcement.



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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by HD74 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:59 pm

Tareytown Maryland. You just can’t make this shit up.
You’ll have to google it yourself. Sorry.


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Re: I refuse to wear a mask

Post by audiophile » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:14 am

Wasn't the water kind of cold?


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