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Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:35 am
by tc
audiophile wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:25 pm
Was there something wrong with it?
There is lots of other sites out there, but this one it explained the proposal has no age limits in plain terms.
Yes there are lots of other sites out there. Here’s the first 5 results when I searched
does a minor need parental consent to have an abortion in Michigan: Spoiler - you're wrong.
https://www.courts.michigan.gov/SCAO-fo ... -abortion/
https://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(srg5a ... cl-722-903
https://northlandfamilyplanning.com/teen-abortion-law
https://www.monroecountylawyers.com/blo ... -michigan/
https://www.abortionfinder.org/abortion ... n-michigan
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:57 am
by audiophile
Most, if not all of those website links predate Proposal 3, WHICH IS A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. It was very clear that EVERYONE has right to reproductive freedom and voided all laws in conflict with it.
I interviewed an attorney on this before it passed and he said the was no parental consent requirement in the amendment, and the old laws could not be enforced because it specifically voided all laws in conflict.
Most everyone thinks the proposal was poorly worded, some of these may end up in court, but the Michigan Supreme Court will eventually side with Proposal 3.
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 12:28 pm
by audiophile
Ok, maybe this will meet your requirements TC?
I spent days studying proposal 3, so pardon me if I think you must have been living under a rock last fall
https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commenta ... a-michigan
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 12:40 pm
by audiophile
Ok here's another:
“If you have a 12-year-old at home and they’re going to be getting their tonsils removed, you absolutely need to give an informed consent and sign the form as their parent in order to have a doctor perform that procedure,” Bursch said.
“That same 12-year-old, if they were to get pregnant, would be able to go to an abortion clinic and have the life of their child terminated without their parent even being informed about that fact.”
Backers of the constitutional amendment don’t dispute the claims, saying that the proposal guarantees the right to reproductive health from birth including not only abortion but also miscarriage care and contraception.
“Our state has put in place substantial barriers that really deprive young people of autonomy to decide what they can do with their own bodies and has forced many young people to carry pregnancy that they are just not ready for,” Kitaba said.
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-gover ... ot-measure
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:14 pm
by km1125
There are a LOT of "unintended consequences" that are going to happen due to that poorly worded amendment, and it's just going to take a bit of time and a few test cases with the right attorneys to prove that out.
Used to be a time in society when we accepted that kids under a certain age weren't capable of making decisions regarding sex and becoming parents. This amendment completely invalidates that concept.
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:27 pm
by Matt
Audiophile is correct on the impact of proposal 3.
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:10 am
by tc
The parental consent laws are still in effect, even after passing of prop 3.
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:18 am
by audiophile
tc wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:10 am
The parental consent laws are still in effect, even after passing of prop 3.
They might still be on the books, but they won't be enforced.
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 9:17 am
by km1125
audiophile wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:18 am
tc wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:10 am
The parental consent laws are still in effect, even after passing of prop 3.
They might still be on the books, but they won't be enforced.
Can't be enforced, as they are now unconstitutional.
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 11:30 am
by tc
audiophile wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:18 am
tc wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:10 am
The parental consent laws are still in effect, even after passing of prop 3.
They might still be on the books, but they won't be enforced.
And why do you think it "won't be enforced?" You seriously think legit doctors are performing abortions on minors with no parental consent? Even though it's still illegal?"
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 12:47 pm
by Rate This
tc wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:30 am
audiophile wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:18 am
tc wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:10 am
The parental consent laws are still in effect, even after passing of prop 3.
They might still be on the books, but they won't be enforced.
And why do you think it "won't be enforced?" You seriously think legit doctors are performing abortions on minors with no parental consent? Even though it's still illegal?"
Abortion is everywhere!!!!
Seriously… it’s not….
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 1:18 pm
by tc
Rate This wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 12:47 pm
Abortion is everywhere!!!!
Seriously… it’s not….
"too confusing, too extreme"
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 7:18 pm
by Honeyman
keto wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 5:51 pm
Rate This wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 12:47 pm
tc wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:30 am
audiophile wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:18 am
tc wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:10 am
The parental consent laws are still in effect, even after passing of prop 3.
They might still be on the books, but they won't be enforced.
And why do you think it "won't be enforced?" You seriously think legit doctors are performing abortions on minors with no parental consent? Even though it's still illegal?"
Abortion is everywhere!!!!
Seriously… it’s not….
Yeah, what’s a little murder here and there?
63 million+ “safe and legal” executions since Roe v Wade, mostly African American, but they don’t matter, right?
From keto...er, lovinlife in the DBR:
lovinlife101 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:28 am
Why do only some black lives matter to you?
1,000 black babies are killed every day in America by the “safe and legal” execution you celebrate.
You are a monster!
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 7:23 pm
by audiophile
Thank for reenforcing his point H.M.
The "Safe and Legal" is a Dem'onic Mantra.
Re: Piercing: not okay. Child murder: “a woman’s right.”
Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 7:35 pm
by Honeyman
audiophile wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 7:23 pm
Thank for reenforcing his point H.M.
The "Safe and Legal" is a Dem'onic Mantra.
All I'm trying to do is prove that keto is the same poster as 10+ times banned lovinlife, in case the board administrator still had doubts.