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Thanks for your two cents, but I will give you a whole quarter if you just STFU.

So a farmer has no right to raise cattle on his land?

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Both Democrats and Republicans are "liberals"! The Republican ideology is classical liberalism, while the Democrats is welfare liberalism.

I think a farm is zoned that way isn't it?

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At one time (not that long ago) there was no such thing as zoning.

By default much of the land got zoned AG (for lack anything better to call it).

My neighbor operated a Garage on his property (predating zoning) and they tried to shut him down in the 1980's because it was zoned AG! He produced copies of his auto mechanic license with that mailing location back before the zoning and he told them to go jump in a lake (they did surprisingly). If he wasn't a pack rat he would have been hosed.

If an area of property gets zoned residential, they might tell you to stop farming it. If your farm goes dormant for 6 months they can tell you can't restart the operation even if your great grandparents farmed it for the last 100 years.

It's BS!

There needs to be a balance between property owners rights and a reasonable right of neighbors not to have excessive blight, noise or pollution.

In other words, property owners should the right life, liberty and pursuit of happiness provided it does not cause a loss life, liberty and pursuit of happiness to the neighbor.

Zoning restrictions can be added to your property without you even knowing about it. This is a defacto government seizure, and without compensation it should be unlawful.

Fidel Castro and that knucklehead that runs Venezuela have turned private possessions into publicly controlled ones at the drop of a hat without compensation. Zoning is a form of that - - where private land becomes publicly controlled without compensation.

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Both Democrats and Republicans are "liberals"! The Republican ideology is classical liberalism, while the Democrats is welfare liberalism.

I take it , you don't value oranization and chaos doesn't bother you at all.

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Please bring back Motorola C Quam stereo, and dump IBOC! Radio could be fun again.

I see plenty of chaos and blight, most of it is in the most high regulated areas. Why is that?

Remember the farming ban in residental areas I just mentioned? Someone thought that was blight and chaos....until now.

Lo and behold, lifting the farming ban in urban areas produces positive results:
http://www.startribune.com/local/minnea ... 14706.html

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Both Democrats and Republicans are "liberals"! The Republican ideology is classical liberalism, while the Democrats is welfare liberalism.

About 15 years ago or so here in Holland, a bunch of people tried to shut down a pig farmer on 142nd ave. So here's the thing.. the farm has been there for a LONG time, and then the went and built a few nice subdivisions around it. Then they sued to shut the pig farmer down.

They lost and the farm still exists, which is as it should be. I mean, who moves next to a pig farm and then complains? It isn't like you didn't know.

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"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left.
While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,
they both march in the same direction."

As stinky as pig farms are in the summer, you wouldn't miss it then. Maybe they only sold them in the winter?

If they sold all of their pigs and were dormant for 6 months they probably wouldn't be able to restart.

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Both Democrats and Republicans are "liberals"! The Republican ideology is classical liberalism, while the Democrats is welfare liberalism.

There seems to be a discussion about progress here.

Zoning creates wealth. It's how the balance is kept between reasonable and unreasonable. At some point farmland near a village will become a suburb if that community is to thrive.

There are plenty of individuals that are sacrificed in the name of progress, it's part of the American Way. Roads, Factories, and sewer plants all need to happen. In each case, someone had to sacrifice.

I agree that at home business is reasonable. It is where our economy seems to be heading. A maid, cook and butler are all in home employees, so is a personal assistant.

When you get to three, then most homes can't hold to crowd. That is a compromise that seems to work, and the auto repair shop example is absurd, because it is industrial not light commercial.

The pig farmer is a fool as well. He could get very wealthy selling the land and setting up a new operation in a better location. It happened in Idaho with California dairy farmers. They are all very wealthy and run debt free free.

Progress is to blame, not politicians.

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"Actually that's kind of the problem with Radio, for every real legend, you get about fifteen tired old gasbags who stick around too long."

I can't say I disagree with anything you said Sage.

It is progress or lack of it in some cases. It shouldn't take an act of congress to get something done. I think some townships love to line their pockets with special land use hearing fees. I think if someone gets turned down and they should get their fees back. You shouldn't have to spend $5000 dollars to get a simple yes/no answer. Maybe we should go to a county level system like most other states.

I have worked in areas that have no zoning and honestly I haven't noticed any physical difference.

If new zoning is to be passed it should be put to vote of local residents, not just a couple a city/township members.

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Both Democrats and Republicans are "liberals"! The Republican ideology is classical liberalism, while the Democrats is welfare liberalism.

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Thanks for your two cents, but I will give you a whole quarter if you just STFU.

My grandfather called him 'Milk Toast' Milliken, because he said he didn't do anything.

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I tell things like they are.

Since this topic got off topic,,.. I am in favor of zoning. If for nothing else than to keep 3 dryers and a '74 AMC motor from my neighbor's front yard.

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"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left.
While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,
they both march in the same direction."

Audio,

You are the township. If you don't like the policy, you and your neighbors can work to change unreasonable ordinances. Often, those fees offset general admin costs.

We had an overzealous zoning admin a few years ago. He pushed for changes that no one but the treasurer wanted. It is always fun when a few hundred people show up to a meeting.

I have no sympathy for people who only get involved when it effects them. All those rules were made and I bet there was no objection at that time. Every township will send you the agenda and minutes via email if you ask.

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"Actually that's kind of the problem with Radio, for every real legend, you get about fifteen tired old gasbags who stick around too long."

Bring back Blanchard!

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Can we get WWJ on the FM please?