How about their own definition?
"Our work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions."

When a religion ceases to be a religion and becomes a political ideology intent on destroying our country from within as well as perpetrates planed acts of violence against the citizenry.

To compare Islamists to European Jews, who's only crime was simply existing, is not only foolhardy, but shows a fair amount of ignorance.

You would prefer to be in an America under Shariah law?

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Fundamental Christianity wants to destroy Western civilization? Fundamental Christianity has carried out and continues to plan attacks that kill thousands of Americans?


I don't believe I've said we should "outlaw" anything.

One cannot use Nazi atrocities as a comparison without including the other. The two are forever linked.

I'm not really sure what the Sarah Palin version of JesusLand is, but I doubt that I would enjoy visiting, much less living in, a place called JesusLand. By the same token, I know I didn't enjoy visiting a place under Shariah law, and have absolutely no desire to live there either.

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I don't believe I've said we should "outlaw" anything.


This is a perfect example of the point I am trying to make. We are not the least bit reticent to identify the Westboro people or the radical right anti-abortion activists, as whack-jobs, radical, misguided and possibly a dangerous threat. No one is afraid of insulting Christianity as a whole in calling these groups out, because the vast majority of Christians are appalled by their behavior. If you don't think that these folks are being watched on a local, state and federal level because of their views and actions, you are mistaken.

On the other hand, great care is taken to not identify the fundamental Islamists as a threat. Why would we worry about offending all people of the Muslim faith if we clearly identified the fringe element that was a threat? Could it be that in this case the vast majority of people of Islam are not appalled by their behavior? I hope not, but what other explanation might there be for the lack of public condemnation? Unless again, we did not do a good enough job differentiating between the two.

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Bryce,
Reading what you and Revox have said, I think my point becomes clear.. No one that I know of can come up with a way to determine who is a terrorist, or potential terrorist or even agree as to what would define one as a terrorist. Most people, I would guess, myself included would probably be all for it if it could be done.

So I see what you wrote, but I have not seen any real ideas as to how that would be accomplished. I think that's been the problem all along.

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Simple does 911 ring a bell? Islamists have done more for Satan's causes than all the other evil in the world combined.

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What methods were used in identifying the Westboro folks as whack-jobs? There doesn't seem to be a problem there.

I'm going to be rather crude here. People that rather not be subjected to crude in the extreme, please don't read any farther...


Terrorism is fomented by people who believe in the ideology of fundamental Islam. The identification of fundamental Islamists is rather easy. If they (Muslims in this country) are not willing to take a stand against it, we have to assume they are in favor of it. As Andrew Dice Clay once said in a monologue, "What's with this Bi-sexual shit? Bi-sexual my ass, either you suck dick, or you don't suck dick."

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Westboro are easy.. they show up all the time and show their jackass-ness with neon signs, ignorant slogans and inbred looking kids.

I do not recall seeing anyone standing on a corner saying they're going to kill my Israel loving ass if I don't bow to Allah. But, if they do, then it becomes easy too. Until then, not so easy.

What you're suggesting is that Muslims (your words) take a stand, or not take a stand, in defending whatever it is that someone else deems appropriate or inappropriate to defend, or not. And again, that's the problem,, who is going to decide what it is that people need to "take a stand" for, or against,, and on what merit?

So here's the issue.

Who are they? It isn't like you can just ask, "are you a terrorist?"
Even better, how do you know if someone is Islamic? Do we need to fill out a census and declare our God?
Do we raid mosque, church or temple rolls?
Do we assume that all middle eastern looking poeople are Muslim?
Do we follow them? Eavesdrop?
How do you define "it"?
Who will define "it"?
How are they qualified to define it?
Who said they were qualified to define it?

That is my whole issue in this topic and has been from my first post. I've never been against defending, if we knew who or what we're defending against.

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While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,
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Before I respond, would you like your questions answered in regards to boarding a plane, (the topic my original diatribe discussed) or would you prefer an answer that covered all basis?

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Either way.. I'm easy..
although the qualifications of who is easy if we're talking about air safety..

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While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,
they both march in the same direction."

Be a good place to start wouldn't it?

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Well, I no longer fly so I don't care personally.. but I think that for air safety there should be ZERO discrimination.. everyone gets check, frisked or whatever else they have.. whatever Israel is doing seems to work and seems like that's where we should start.

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While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,
they both march in the same direction."

If we aren't willing to do so, and soon, those spades may be used to dig our graves.

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There ya go using your favorite slur REVOX, you keep that white cloak clean and ready in the closet or what? You impress no one when you pull that word out and only show your undelying racism...give it a rest already, no one is impressed with your use of the word.....

on to the topic at hand, show them we won't take their shit, and maybe they will think twice but that would take balls which this administration doesn't have.

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Oh bullshit. If me, Revox, and all the other regulars "gave it up" you'd have nothing else to jerk off to in the morning. So quit trying to pretend he's shitting in your Corn Flakes. You get off on it otherwise you wouldn't even be here.

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Security - Freedom = NEITHER!!!!

Wanna play hardball???? I can throw VERY nasty curves, enough to make you curse Oct. 19, 1974 (the day I was born!) :)

Not since I heard a radio station follow Stairway To Heaven with a tune by the Spice Girls has a segue left me so bewildered.

How exactly did your brain make the leap from identifying and defining an ideology that is destructive to America to rounding up and killing a group of people?

Last I checked, Baptists were considered to be a Christian denomination. Although their theology and actions may not fit YOUR definition of Christian, or mine, they certainly present themselves as such.

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