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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:17 pm 
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There shouldn't be any problem with WRQN as it's transmitter is south of Toledo. It's a rim shot station that is licenced to Bowling Green Ohio.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:24 pm 
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These LP stations are a bad idea in a Metro Detroit that is close proximity to an international border and 3 metro radio markets.The FCC should look at the last incident and put it on hold.

The LP's should have been given a special designation in the educational part of the band.91.5 is vacant as the U of Windsor station moved to 99.1.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:27 pm 
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91.5 has a CP in Algonac, plus WUOM is on 91.7, so I don't see an LP getting approved there.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:13 pm 
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I Go to u of windsor, maybe i should write a petition from me and maybe other students to get them to move to like 91.3 so Martz can get what he wants at 99.1


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:21 pm 
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still say there will be interference if he builds this 93.5 app to spec, and he'll be forced off yet again.


WRQN has no critical mass of listeners north of Monroe County.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:05 pm 
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48125er wrote:
I Go to u of windsor, maybe i should write a petition from me and maybe other students to get them to move to like 91.3 so Martz can get what he wants at 99.1


US translators can't simply wander up or down the dial to any "available" frequency. Unless "displaced" by a new full service station move, they can only move up or down 1, 2, 3, 53 or 54 channels and (other than the 53 or 54 IF channel move) can't leap frog over any "local signal".


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:02 am 
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MW, I meant interference to WHMI. I know WRQN is too far south.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:47 am 
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I hear ya. I agree that the proposed null toward Howell described in the application looks little suspect. It may need to be deeper / wider than what's proposed to be adequate.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:57 am 
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92.7 would still work if it was In Oakland Or Macomb county, so you could still Hear CJSP downriver, i can hear it my home stereo in romulus you cant hear CJSP North Of 8 Mile Usually, 103.1 would work too as you usually cant hear CBEF-1 North Of I-94.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:03 pm 
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48125er wrote:
92.7 would still work if it was In Oakland Or Macomb county, so you could still Hear CJSP downriver, i can heard it perfectly at my brothers home stereo In Wyandotte, you cant hear CJSP North Of 8 Mile Usually, 103.1 would work too as you usually cant hear CBEF-1 North Of I-94.


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As posted above, US translators can't simply wander up or down the dial to any "available" frequency. Unless "displaced" by a new full service station move, they can only move up or down 1, 2, 3, 53 or 54 channels and (other than the 53 or 54 IF channel move) can't leap frog over any "local signal".


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:51 pm 
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i didnt know that, thx for the info.


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Simonsays -- that is indeed interesting to know. Thanks for sharing that info.

That explains why W284BQ applied to relocate to 93.9 first (54 channels down the dial from 104.7) before ultimately applying for 93.5 (2 channels down the dial from 93.9).

The poster known as Audiophile correctly predicted this, I might add. (He referred to 93.9 as a "stepping stone" to the translator's ultimate destination.)

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simonsays, can you refer me to the section of part 74 that forbids "leapfrogging" over a local signal? I cannot imagine that the rules do not already technically preclude this by making it difficult to operate on first and second adjacent channels to such a local station. I can understand where the non technical people don't understand the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 53rd, and 54th adjacent channel rules. I also am perplexed as to the rules that people seem to be pulling out of thin air, like "foreign stations are protected but not Class As". While the signals are more limited, a domestic Class A could become as big or bigger issue than WIOT was, since several Class As have signals whose 60 dBu protected contour reach Detroit Arbitron counties and show up consistently with fairly large cumes, as well as other Class B 54 dBu and Class B1 57 dBu contours.

The counties in the Detroit Market are Lapeer, St. Clair, Livingston, Oakland, Macomb, Wayne, and Monroe Counties.

As an exercise, try plotting the 60, 57, and 54 dBu protected contours of all the stations whose protected contours reach those counties. Remember, Canadian station normal service areas are excluded by treaty outside their country of origin.

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I just listened to WHMI 93.5 driving on I-96 onto I-696 from New Hudson into the western edge of Southfield. It was a decent signal through Novi and started breaking up when going onto I-696 at the western edge of Farmington Hills. I have no idea, though, if WHMI has many listeners outside of Livingston County. The signal reminds me of WIOT on that side of town.


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Arthur Mometer wrote:
simonsays, can you refer me to the section of part 74 that forbids "leapfrogging" over a local signal? I cannot imagine that the rules do not already technically preclude this by making it difficult to operate on first and second adjacent channels to such a local station. I can understand where the non technical people don't understand the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 53rd, and 54th adjacent channel rules. I also am perplexed as to the rules that people seem to be pulling out of thin air, like "foreign stations are protected but not Class As". While the signals are more limited, a domestic Class A could become as big or bigger issue than WIOT was, since several Class As have signals whose 60 dBu protected contour reach Detroit Arbitron counties and show up consistently with fairly large cumes, as well as other Class B 54 dBu and Class B1 57 dBu contours.


Without getting too technical, it is virtually impossible for a translator to be licensed (even as a stepping stone) on a co-channel or 1st adjacent full service channel in any market, since it would "interfere" with a full service station. That alone prevents any leap frogging. The only exception would be if the full service station was a foreign (Canadian) station (as in 93.9 in this case) or a US station that had a vested interest in the translator and agreed to accept the interference. In theory, the translator could move out of the market beyond the protected contour of the full service station it wanted to "leap frog", change frequencies and then move back in... maybe two years later. Not very practical though.

The statement "foreign stations are protected but not Class As" is simply not true. All full service domestic station (regardless of class of service) are fully protected against translators. By treaty though, Canadian station are not protected in the US (and vice versa). What stops each country from licensing on each other's border frequencies are primarily the laws of physics.


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