WOW! Did you get that from Barry's playbook? "It's all our fault, we will try to be better."

I bet you're thrilled that Rhom is leaving after the November elections. I'm sure you're on the "short-list" for the new Chief of Staff.

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So what do we do,, just start rounding "them" up.. or should we just pick them off on their way to the Mosque?
How do we determine who's Islamic? Race? Country of origin? Who has a prayer mat?
Maybe we should wait until they kneel for prayer.. that would make it easy.
If you're really suggesting that we start a war against 'Islam', you're batshit crazy.

That's an ideological war, and once that starts ANYONE who steps out of line (as determined by our government which, currently is "far left" (your words)) is the new target. That's Hitler talk. That's their thinking,, kill anyone who doesn't agree with us or who might in the future disagree with us.

No thanks mister, I'd rather go down than stoop to that level. That IS what (still, anyway) makes us different than those who are
attacking us.

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While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,
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I certainly do not hold with the idea that we should declare war on the Muslim world. We should embrace those of the Muslim faith that are against terrorism and do not believe that the world must submit to Shariah law. But, these same moderates must be enjoined to vocally reject and rebuke those ideas attributed to Islamic theology that are put forth by their brethren.

The vast majority of Muslims do not totally buy into the Shariah version of Islam. We as a nation will not be able to win that vast majority over by denying the realities of the theocratic vision of the extremists of their religion. Until we are willing to describe the threat as being Islamic extremism and define it as such, thereby separating that faction from the mainstream, how can we expect the rest of the Muslim world to publicly reject it? Additionally, the lack of a clear definition of whom and what we are at war with lends credence to the extremists propaganda that we are at war with the Muslim world in general and not just the extremist theocratic faction.

How much easier would it be if we were aided by the Muslim community in identifying the radicals among them rather than having them shield them from view?

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I would be most interested in reading Mr. Pauls remarks in which he stated that the terror attacks are a result of our behavior and the fact that we need to alter our way of life.

And please reiterate as to where and to whom we have "shoved democracy down their throat."

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.....AND someone's making money.

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Security - Freedom = NEITHER!!!!

Wanna play hardball???? I can throw VERY nasty curves, enough to make you curse Oct. 19, 1974 (the day I was born!) :)

Know what makes me laugh REVOX ? You scream as loud as the neocons about your point of view and expect that point of view to be taken as gospel by everyone.....just like the neocons....it is funny. In both cases it is opinion and nothing else.

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I am a proud 53 percenter....are you?

I don't recall, in this entire thread, being a champion of the war in Iraq. Although, when weapons of mass destruction were thought to exist I was indeed a proponent, the lack thereof caused me to rethink my position.

It is unrealistic to think we can, or should, export democracy on a widespread basis but there are occasions when it is certainly prudent to do so. (The Marshall Plan comes to mind) Although the "Bush Doctrine" did promote the exportation of democracy, I don't consider George W. to be a true conservative. He (George W.) may be defined as a conservative by today's standards, but, so too, would John F. Kennedy. Neither qualify under my definition.

If one were to look for justification for the invasion of Iraq without the pretense of "Nation Building", there are a few salient points. One, Iraq was certainly hostile toward Kuwait and threatened them by word and deed as well as hurling ominous threats at Saudi Arabia, both allies in the region. Two, Saddam continually rebuffed numerous sanctions imposed by the U.N. and three, did indeed actively seek nuclear weaponry. This was not an action forced upon the Muslim world with the primary goal of spreading democracy, but an action meant to topple a lunatic that was given every opportunity to capitulate.

As for a positive result of a Saddam free Iraq, one must consider that there is one less destabilizing force in that part of the world, there is no longer a chance that nuclear weaponry will be in the hands of a whack-job and that Iraq has ceased to be a threat to our allies and our interests.

As for your personal freedom and safety, that would be difficult to prove. One thing I can say is that since the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, no one has flown airline jets into any of our buildings. Remember, we had an opportunity to act preemptively prior to 9/11. We didn't. We suffered.

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It is interesting that you continue with the mantra, By Any Means Necessary. Low and behold, look what is front and center on the BAMN website today.

http://www.bamn.com/doc/2010/100616-al-jazeera.asp

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Bryce,

We cannot expect the greater Muslim world to denounce the extremists because they (the extremists) will kill them. They have a better chance of staying alive by saying nothing. Add to that the utter lack of education in many of those countries and you have the perfect setup for extremists.. they're armed, they will kill and most people do who live there do not know any better.

Even in countries where there is no theocracy, people are being killed by speaking out. You cannot expect people to stand on their rooftops and yell... down with "_____?_____".

Which all leads me to what I've been saying all along,,, find a way to figure out who is what, and then you'll be able to declare war. As it is, we have no way of identifying anyone that's reliable. Those in this country are a different thing, elsewhere, we have nothing.

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While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,
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Gee, it's just no fun messing with someone when they don't know they've been dicked with.

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I would be delighted, and most likely would step down from my soap-box, if we concentrated on the Mulsim population of this country.

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The American way may not be right for all people in all nations. I don't propose it to be. It IS and has been the right way for our nation and those that propose to undermine it (far left included) are no better than nihilists.

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Ok, so how do we find those inside the USA..?

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While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,
they both march in the same direction."

Just admit it REVOX, you support Islam as good and feel GUILTY over Traditional American Values.

After all, in the world of liberals, the United States of America is the "bad guy".

As I have said REPEATADLY, first and foremost, we must put political correctness and fear of offending aside and be willing to identify and define the enemy. We have no hope of effectively defending ourselves if we fail to identify and understand the very nature of the enemy we face.

Once this is done and the American people are awakened from their state of ignorance as to what radical Islam is truly about, then we can move on to step two.

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