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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:40 pm 
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Bryce, again, I think the issue is not in understanding or knowing who is our enemy, the problem is in identifying them. Who do you trust to do it??? Because the same people who might be in charge of identifying them might be the same ones who identify you or me next.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:50 pm 
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I must respectfully disagree. The current administration is in denial as to who our enemy is or at least will not admit it. It seems to me they are much more willing to call out Israel than they are to talk about Islamic based terrorism. If we need help in identifying suspects, all we need to do is ask for some help from our former friends from Israel. They are experts at profiling. If you think about it, isn't it quite an accomplishment, given what we know, that they have never had an incident aboard one of their aircraft?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:05 am 
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Perhaps that's because Israel will blow them away.. not to get too analytical, but how's that working for their PR? Israel is hated by the world. Not that I think it has anything to do with their air safety policies but it doesn't take much of an imagination to think that style of security is applied elsewhere within Israel. That's why the rockets come into Israel from outside of Israel. That's why they seal off Gaza and have tight checkpoints. Are you willing to do that here in the USA?

Also, let's be frank, it's easier to discriminate in Israel because everyone hates them. There is no guessing.. I'm Israel, and everyone hates me so I can protect from that because everyone is an enemy.. It's easy to see who the enemy is, and easy to be secure in theory because you're protecting yourself from everyone, even "Americans". The implementation of said security is however a model for anyone willing to go though it. Too many in the USA complain because granny got frisked at the airport.. and that's because it's PC and arbritrary.. but what would happen when EVERYONE goes through that every day, all the time? Are you willing to live like that? Not many are.

I keep thinking you think this an Obama administration, but what is any U.S. administration supposed to do, stand up and say... "the terrorists are Muslim males age 15-35" ? Holy Crap,, pun intended.. you've just declared war on Muslims.

Also, the difference between Israel and the US is we try to be politically correct. As much as I dislike that, we're set up to operate that way because I do not think anyone in the USA is willing to do what it takes to "win" this "war". Think through what that would entail, to truly WIN this WAR.. and how it could or would have to be done.. it isn't pretty.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:38 pm 
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It might be a "do what it takes" thing, not "do what is politically correct thing" when it comes to what is going on. Look what the USA did in "profiling" during WWII. Pretty harsh. We won.

We know who is blowing up bombs, airplanes, cutting off heads..... against us. They are not blonde haired Swedes.

We know who is coming across our southern border with Mexico illegally. Ditto.

Profiling is appropriate in both of these circumstances to identify the most likely individuals who may be a threat to our country. Obama will not do that, putting us at MUCH greater risk.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:11 am 
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REVOX wrote:
obama won't profile......

Neither did bush.

But then again profiling is okay for white folk in their upscale communities when the cop pulls over the black kid because he don't belong on that side of town. Libs and Cons alike support that crap.

That shouldn't be considered profiling. That should be considered a police officer doing his or her job. Police are trained to look and see things that are outside the norm. When there is something that looks out of place, many times, it is worth investigating.

If I were driving around the side streets of Highland Park at 3:00 AM with my "male menopause" car, I would look out of the norm and should expect to get pulled over and questioned. Is that profiling? I don't think so.

Unfortunately, most of the civil servants employed by the Thousands Standing Around aren't capable, or given the training needed, to spot something out of the norm. That is why so much time and effort is wasted questioning 83-year-old grandmothers.

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As for profiling, it is done all the time.......doesn't make a lot of right, because WAY TOO MANY officers in white areas pull the "driving while black" card. Been there. Been part of it.

But for many white Republicans (and some Democrats) in gated communities, it is business as normal. It's NOT doing your job, it's letting your bigotry get in the way. Again, been there.


I don't live in a gated community, but I do live in an area where there are very few black residents. Is it your position that if a police officer patrolling my neighborhood, came upon a vehicle with four black youths at 3:00 A.M. and decided to pull them over, it was purely racially motivated?

Frankly, I don't think that scenario is any different than my previous "Highland Park Scenario".

Profiling is a standard law enforcement tool. When "Buba", driving his four wheel drive pick-up leaves the country western bar at 2:00 AM, and is profiled as a possible drunk driver and gets stopped, no one cries foul. The only time profiling is called into question, is when the person being profiled happens to be a minority.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:10 am 
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There are two communities in West Michigan I can take you to that you can be pulled over at 2am for not driving the right "upscale" car. That kind of profiling okay with you, afterall, the police are just doing their job???


That's a really dangerous, slippery slope. Usually one thing leads to another. We go from there to "road safety checkpoints". What's next: Unwarranted door-to-door searches??? Where does it stop??? That's the MAIN problem I have. I'm not blaming the officer on the street. I'm blaming the government officials behind the scenes that pull the strings that have this attitude that we, the people, work for them and answer to them. Uh, I thought it was supposed to be the other way around. That's why when you see footage of people protesting something the government does you'll hear people chanting, "You work for us! You work for us!"

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:47 pm 
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REVOX wrote:
Conservtives like Bryce are willing to give up a little freedom and a little liberty for perceiced safety and security.

Problem is when you do the former, you don't get the later.

INSERT - "During the Civil War........" or "During WW2 ........"

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Pray tell, exactly which liberties will I be giving up if we institute profiling at all of our major airports? I'm already subject to search prior to boarding. How will it affect my freedom if more emphasis is placed on screening individuals that fit the known Islamic terrorist profile?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:44 pm 
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......ask for your citizenship on a traffic stop. Yes, that is coming.


It already has. Border Patrol and Immigration have taken it upon themselves to assume jurisdiction within 100 miles of the border the "right" to detain ANYONE for ANY reason.

http://www.mauricesherif.com/blog/index ... eckpoints/

Of course it won't stop. That's because government, today, as I said before, has this snug, arrogant attitude that they dont have to answer to the people. The people WILL answer to them. We work for them. Never mind the fact that we, the people, pay their salary and vote them into office. This is a byproduct of our two-party system.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:22 am 
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REVOX wrote:
[......... Driving while Muslim?


Hah,, but that's today, tomorrow it will be driving while Christian or pro-Israel. Driving while visiting anti-US websites.. oh that is SO coming....

It sucks man, but freedom is freedom... the good comes with the bad.

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Lemontin wrote:
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[......... Driving while Muslim?


Hah,, but that's today, tomorrow it will be driving while Christian or pro-Israel. Driving while visiting anti-US websites.. oh that is SO coming....

It sucks man, but freedom is freedom... the good comes with the bad.


At such time that a large segment of the Christian population, or pro-Israel population, has declared war on the United States, it may be prudent to do so. The profiling I am suggesting has nothing to do with my desire to pick on minorities or a particular faith. It is solely in response to a group that has declared war on the United States.

In case anyone need be reminded of what it is we are dealing with, these are quotes uttered in open court from Faisal Shahzad the perpetrator of the attempted Time Square bombing attack:

"One has to understand where I'm coming from, I consider myself ... a Muslim soldier."

"I want to plead guilty, and I'm going to plead guilty 100 times over." "Until U.S. forces leave Muslim territory, we will be attacking U.S."

When asked if he was concerned about killing civilians, he replied, "Well, the people select the government, we consider them all the same."

"I am part of the answer to the U.S. terrorizing the Muslim nations and the Muslim people. And, on behalf of that, I'm avenging the attack. Living in the United States, Americans only care about their own people, but they don't care about the people elsewhere in the world when they die."

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Bryce, I am constantly baffled by your inability to grasp this.

I, for one, do not believe it's Islam but rather a bunch of murderous, idiots claiming it's Islam and claiming they're acting out on their faith. And that's a big difference. And that is the problem that fortunately our leaders have recognized so far.

It's not a particular county, it's not a specific religion nor is it a racial issue.. it IS propagated by idealology that is using religion as it's backdrop. Until we can define that with accuracy, we cannot declare war on "it".. If we can do this, we can declare war on any group that has a few sociopaths in it. The world has many people of the Islamic faith in it, do you think they're all of the jihadist mindset? I don't.

I know I wouldn't want to be judged on my faith by some of those jokers on TV saying they're Christians. Yet that is what those who are not Christians base their ideas on Christianity on.. and it's wrong. I believe the same goes for the Islamic faith.

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REVOX wrote:
And we did nothing to provoke this hatred of the West, right? They just hate us because of our freedoms, our women and our vices?

Or that we have been shoving our view of democracy down their throats for 70 years?

Actually they were at war with the west way back in the time of Charles Martel. Remember the battle of Tours? There are Islamic writings back then filled with hate of the Germanic tribal Europeans for merely letting their women not having their hair covered in public. If some Moslem doesn't like me not covering my hair he can stick it as far as I am concerned. Profiling is helping us keep our freedom.

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Bryce, I am constantly baffled by your inability to grasp this.

The fact that I vehemently disagree with your position has nothing to do with my ability to understand it.

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I, for one, do not believe it's Islam but rather a bunch of murderous, idiots claiming it's Islam and claiming they're acting out on their faith. And that's a big difference. And that is the problem that fortunately our leaders have recognized so far.

It's not a particular county, it's not a specific religion nor is it a racial issue.. it IS propagated by idealology that is using religion as it's backdrop. Until we can define that with accuracy, we cannot declare war on "it".. If we can do this, we can declare war on any group that has a few sociopaths in it. The world has many people of the Islamic faith in it, do you think they're all of the jihadist mindset? I don't.

Unfortunately, your view is similar to a vast majority in America. They would be wrong. Islamists are not a group of whack-job Muslims that have borrowed a religion, they are acutely mainstream in their view of the tenants of Islamic scripture.

The ultimate goal of the Islamist is to destroy American culture and its institutions and make way for an Islamic-controlled nation under Shariah law. The Muslim Brotherhood, considered to be a mainstream Muslim organization and quite active in the United States, has stated in internal memos that, "their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions." I don't recall the "mainstream" Muslim population here or abroad denouncing these ideas that are attributed to Muslim theology which includes an Islamic based theocracy.

President Obama and his far left base continue to deny the threat and even the existence of Islamic extremism, because in my opinion, they (the far left) share similar goals in ultimately destroying the traditional culture of America.

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