Is there anyone else that thinks it’s time to drop the gloves on Jihadists and Islamic Extremists? Even though the President of the United States seems to have erased those two terms from his vocabulary, pretending they don’t exist doesn’t make it so.

From day one in office, it seems that President Obama has tried to atone for what he and his ultra liberal base perceive as sins against al-Qaida. He put the wheels in motion to close Gitmo, CIA officers are facing a “special prosecutor” for interrogating captured Jihadists, and 9-11 masterminds are being given a civilian trial, complete with all the rights reserved for United States citizens. Mea culpa, mea culpa.

In the latest attacks within the border of the United States the public statements of the President show that he is either suffering from a severe case of denial or acting from a ideology of extreme political correctness. We were warned not to “jump to conclusions” about the perpetrator of the Fort Hood shootings, he referred to the Christmas Day bomber as a “suspect” and, against all evidence to the contrary, the President told us that it was an isolated incident. Now, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab sits in a Federal Jail outside of Detroit having been given Miranda rights, a lawyer, and all the other goodies that common criminals receive here in the good old United States of America. What don’t you get Mr. President? These people aren’t criminals. They are part of a Jihadist movement by Islamic Extremists that have DECLARED WAR on the United States and the American way of life, both in word and deed. They are indeed enemy combatants and should be treated as such. Evidently all of your mea culpa, mea culpa hasn’t lessened their hate for us, they still attempted an attack on Christmas Day.

It’s time to drop the gloves. After billions of dollars have been spent trying to upgrade the security at airports throughout the country and the creation of the Homeland Security Department, Americans aren’t any safer that they were pre 911. The fact that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was able to waltz onto a plane with nary a glance proves this point. Face it folks, it time to start profiling, and profiling in a big way. Listen, if middle aged disc jockeys from the Midwest were responsible for countless acts of war against citizens of the United States over the past 15 years, I would expect to be detained and even strip searched every time I tried to board a plane. Unfortunately, due to the fact that I enjoy being strip searched, the people in question are 18 to 30 year old Muslim Extremists that have perpetrated these acts of war. Why in gods name isn’t every male Muslim between the ages of 18 and 30 being stopped, questioned and if necessary, searched prior to boarding a plane? Can you say political correctness?

It’s time for us to drop the gloves, and make the suspect demographic drop their pants!

Is there anyone else that thinks it’s time to drop the gloves on Jihadists and Islamic Extremists? Even though the President of the United States seems to have erased those two terms from his vocabulary, pretending they don’t exist doesn’t make it so.

Ohhh, snap! Turns out, he's not pretending they don't exist. Maybe it makes a better line to be inaccurate, but, that would just weaken your point, so I'm sure you just made a mistake.

Evidently all of your mea culpa, mea culpa hasn’t lessened their hate for us, they still attempted an attack on Christmas Day.

And, it would seem, many many years of killing them hasn't lessened their desire to kill us...so, well done there, too!

Oh, I see the President finally came out and used the word terrorist a couple of days ago, bully for him. He still has refused to link the word terrorist and Islamic in the same sentence. Granted, not all, or even most, believers in Islam are terrorists. However, the vast majority of terrorist acts perpetrated on Americans in the past ten years were done so by Islamic extremists. Failure to recognize this simple fact leads me to believe our President doesn’t have a clear understanding of an enemy that has declared war on the United States.

Finally used the word "terrorist"? Go back and check your facts. You're not just incorrect...you're wildly incorrect. I know it doesn't count for much 'round here, but accuracy actually adds to the value of your opinion.

The decision to grant a civilian trial to the mastermind of the 911 attacks, using a federal prison, assigning a defense attorney and giving Miranda rights to the failed Christmas Day bomber clearly shows that his administration does not view these people as enemy combatants. Never before in the history of our country have these rights been given to enemy combatants. If this line of thinking does not show that he is pretending that we are not at war with radical Muslim Jihadists, I don’t know what would.

Oh, the pretending we're not at war thing again. You must read/listen to Frmr VP Dick Cheney, also known as Mr Pants on Fire. Again, do some research and understand the facts, not recite the hyperbole.

Killing THEM?

Yes..we are killing them, aren't we? Frmr President Bush said we were fighting them over there so we wouldn't have to fight them over here. It's not a difficult concept to grasp...we've been killing a lot of the people you want dead...and it hasn't stopped them from hating us/trying to kill us. So...how's that workin' for you? You complain about the mea culpa not working, so shouldn't you be consistent and honest and admit that killing them hasn't stopped them from trying to kill us, too?

Umm, I seem to recall THEM attacking us. Maybe you and our President really don’t understand what we are up against. Islamic Jihadists have been waging a war of sorts for over 1000 years. Their goal is to have all nations live under Islamic rule. They are driven by ideology and faith. Making “nice nice” isn’t going to work. What our enemy sees by this action is someone who validates their propaganda by apologizing for supposed past indiscretions as well as someone who is weak.

Right...he's weak. President Obama has pulled out all our troops and is begging people to stop being so mean! Please...grow up. Just because you hear someone say it, just because YOU say it, just because you believe it doesn't make it true. I don't ever remember Sen. Obama saying, "All we need to do is make nice and things will A-ok!" That's an idea you seem to have in your head, but it's not accurate.

If my enemy is going to hate me anyway, I just as soon he fear me too.

Finally used the word "terrorist"? Go back and check your facts. You're not just incorrect...you're wildly incorrect. I know it doesn't count for much 'round here, but accuracy actually adds to the value of your opinion.

You have a valid point. I should (meant to) have said “Finally used the word terrorist to describe the failed underwear bomber of Christmas Day.” For several days after the failed attempt, it seemed he went to great lengths NOT to use that word or to link the failed bomber to Al Qaeda against plenty of proof to the contrary.

Although the President did say in his inaugural address, I quote “Our nation is at war against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred,”. If he truly feels this way, why are enemy combatants (a correct term for individuals at war with us) being given the rights reserved for citizens of the United States under OUR constitution? I have yet to read the part in our constitution that says we should give constitutional rights to citizens of other countries, much less enemy combatants.

As for my accuracy, I have yet to hear President Obama say that we are at war with Muslim extremists and I challenge you to find an instance when he has.



Oh, the pretending we're not at war thing again. You must read/listen to Frmr VP Dick Cheney, also known as Mr Pants on Fire. Again, do some research and understand the facts, not recite the hyperbole.

I have laid out the facts that support my opinion, both in my first missive and in response to your rebuttal. You tell me to do some “research” and “understand the facts” yet fail to provide any facts of your own to rebut my opinion.

Killing THEM?

Yes..we are killing them, aren't we? Frmr President Bush said we were fighting them over there so we wouldn't have to fight them over here. It's not a difficult concept to grasp...we've been killing a lot of the people you want dead...and it hasn't stopped them from hating us/trying to kill us. So...how's that workin' for you? You complain about the mea culpa not working, so shouldn't you be consistent and honest and admit that killing them hasn't stopped them from trying to kill us, too?


Well, one thing I do know for certain is that any of the enemy we have killed are not going to be in a position to kill us in the future.

Right...he's weak. President Obama has pulled out all our troops and is begging people to stop being so mean! Please...grow up. Just because you hear someone say it, just because YOU say it, just because you believe it doesn't make it true. I don't ever remember Sen. Obama saying, "All we need to do is make nice and things will A-ok!" That's an idea you seem to have in your head, but it's not accurate.

Here are a few examples of the President trying to play nice:

In his first official interview as president, with the Arabic news network Al Arabiya, Obama said: "My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy."

Kind of odd that he chooses Al Arabiya as the vehicle for his first interview.

Here are a few quotes from his speech at Cairo University, Egypt:

“We meet at a time of tension between the United States and Muslims around the world - tension rooted in historical forces that go beyond any current policy debate. The relationship between Islam and the West includes centuries of co-existence and cooperation, but also conflict and religious wars. More recently, tension has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims, and a Cold War in which Muslim-majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations. Moreover, the sweeping change brought by modernity and globalization led many Muslims to view the West as hostile to the traditions of Islam.”

"I have come here to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect; and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive, and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles - principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings."

My take on this is he is saying, "We know you hate us, and I don't blame you. We will try to be better. It's our fault.

You have a valid point. I should (meant to) have said “Finally used the word terrorist to describe the failed underwear bomber of Christmas Day.” For several days after the failed attempt, it seemed he went to great lengths NOT to use that word or to link the failed bomber to Al Qaeda against plenty of proof to the contrary.

Although the President did say in his inaugural address, I quote “Our nation is at war against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred,”. If he truly feels this way, why are enemy combatants (a correct term for individuals at war with us) being given the rights reserved for citizens of the United States under OUR constitution? I have yet to read the part in our constitution that says we should give constitutional rights to citizens of other countries, much less enemy combatants.

As for my accuracy, I have yet to hear President Obama say that we are at war with Muslim extremists and I challenge you to find an instance when he has.

I have laid out the facts that support my opinion, both in my first missive and in response to your rebuttal. You tell me to do some “research” and “understand the facts” yet fail to provide any facts of your own to rebut my opinion.

Well, one thing I do know for certain is that any of the enemy we have killed are not going to be in a position to kill us in the future.

Making “nice nice” isn’t going to work...My take on this is he is saying, "We know you hate us, and I don't blame you. We will try to be better. It's our fault.

When there was proof, he said it. That you want it said immediately, or that your level of 'proof' is lower than his does not serve anyone's interests but your own. What is damaged by waiting to make sure?

You have a valid point. I don't see, tho, the problem with trying them in court for the world to see. Isn't the result the same? The 'shining beacon' concept. Unless of course you don't believe we are all born with basic rights and that the COTUS is the only thing guaranteeing us those rights. If they're captured on a 'battlefield', then they can be enemy combatants (like the guys that were captured because of the kind of watch they wore). And while you could argue an airplane is a battlefield, I believe you can find plenty of scholars that could argue both sides, so it's not a certainty.

You have me there. He may or may not have said we are at war with Muslim extremists. I have no idea. It doesn't matter to me. He has said we're at war with terrorists and he has identified actual enemies..but that's not good enough for you? I find it curious that you need him to say "Muslim extremists". Why? Why does that prove he understands?

I don't agree that you've laid out "facts" that support your opinion. In fact, when I look for these 'facts', I don't find them to be anything but opinions. You haven't heard The President say "war against Muslim extremists" so he "doesn’t have a clear understanding of an enemy." One doesn't follow the other.

But you said, "Evidently all of your mea culpa, mea culpa hasn’t lessened their hate for us, they still attempted an attack on Christmas Day." So, all the killing hasn't lessened their hate for us...which is what you set up as the goal...which is a pretty good goal. Stop it from starting. Killing terrorists (oops, sorry, Muslim extremists...I don't want you to think I don't understand) seems to be more of a recruitment tool than a deterrent.

Well, I think your take is off base and that clarifying the position of the USA has real value. It's part of a multi-tiered approach. Because there are no simple solutions, it requires more than a 'bring it on' approach.

That you think he's saying "it's our fault" is on you...your perceptions and ideas of strength, etc. I don't hear him saying that...I hear him articulating various parts of a multi-part position. Maybe you didn't know this, but...oh, take Iran for instance. When the Shah was overthrown, the leaders of the movement used the USA's own language and actions to gain strength. Making sure our real position gets out there is just another tool in the President's arsenal. All alone it doesn't work, but over time and as part of a larger policy, it probably won't stop current terrorists, but it may stop new ones from being recruited.