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 Post subject: Re: Chick-fil-A
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:53 am 
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Keep in mind Neckbeard, I knid of slipped into this conversation. I sort of answered with what I thought Bryce was meaning.

Sorry about that.

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 Post subject: Re: Chick-fil-A
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:57 am 
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You obviously know your history, I mean you did mention that many of the framers of the constitution happened to identify as belonging to a Christian religion. Does the writer of a business's Articles of Incorporation or the developer of the business plan being Christian make the business a "business founded in Judeo-Christian philosophy"? Just wondering... Also, What happens when a business doesn't change to adapt to changes? Continue to make buggy whips? Now, with the history that we have concerning the treatment of gay people that you even site here, is it a bad idea to include them in the protected classes? Or is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 just a crock f shit anyways?



It is never a crock to protect anyone. I was not aware it's legal to discriminate based on sexual orientation as it was? If it is, I have no problem with any law to protect homosexuals, or anyone. But that's different than the issue at hand, namely, "gay marriage".

As for the other part, I believe it is impossible to separate your morals from your outlook. Can a Christian own a strip club? I do not see how.
Can a Christian owner treat his employees like crap? Again, I do not see how. But, I freely admit that I do not think most of the people who call themselves Christian really are. Too many get confused with the conservative = Christian view. And it simply isn't true.
Not that it doesn't happen but those people cannot be true Christians because they do not follow the book they claim has authority. And that's why the book (Bible) needs to be changed for them to work it in. See the Unitarians, Methodists and Lutherans.

I also not not equate gay marriage with the Civil Rights Act. One was about rights as humans, the other is about humans wanting what they cannot have, namely, a natural family. That's the harsh truth about it. As for what's legal, I personally do not care if gay folks want to get married. I'm getting so apolitical I might not even vote anymore.

As for Christian businesses, I leave you the example of Prince Inc. in Holland, Mi. Edgar Prince was a Christian. He was faithful in all I seen him do publically. He was, and is, the reason downtown Holland is what it is. When the mall moved in, he bought a lot of the downtown properties. What did he do with them? Did he sell them out and make a H*** profit? No, he rented them to small mom & pop places for $1 a month so they had low overhead and get start a business. He tore up the streets and installed snow melt systems so they were accessable in the Winter and he didn't put his name on everything he touched. You'd be hard pressed to find a Prince anything.

Then he died. His wife, Elsa (spelling?) ran the business until she was ready to retire. She sold it for 4.3 BILLION in cash. CASH!! to Johnson Controls. Knowing that Johnson Controls did not have the same outlook as the Prince's did, she took the cash and ran off to Switzerlan.. I mean, she took the cash and divided a H*** amount amoung the employees. She doubled evey single employee's 401k account creating several instant millionaires.

That is an easy cherry picking Christian businessman's outlook on life. Not all are so fortunate but it is an example I try to live up to in whatever little bit of influence I have in life. Edgar Prince was a Great man in my book.

Then again, his son is Erik Prince, founder of Blackwater... so there you go.. I'll post this before it gets too long and before I proof read.. sorry for the mistakes if they're there.

Interesting story about the Prince's... Wish more business owners would handle exit as gracefully as that. No one expects her to give up the fortune, but to make things comfortable for the people who built her business, anything less is disgusting in my book. See, as you pointed out, they people may identify as Christian, but behave in a manner that is anything but concerning a moral compass or ethics. Not everyone who identifies as Christian follows the ways as straight as Bryce in a room full of 25 year old Swedes. Most use religion like that little cup by the register in 7-11. Take some from the book, give some back to the community. I would assume that our founders took that approach to religion. So to say that they founded this country with nothing but Judeo-Christian principles is something I think is a bit inaccurate because I highly doubt they were thumbing through the Bible sweating over complete alignment with the text. I hate to argue religion, so that is about all I owuld like to say about that.

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 Post subject: Re: Chick-fil-A
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:58 am 
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Lemontin wrote:
Keep in mind Neckbeard, I knid of slipped into this conversation. I sort of answered with what I thought Bryce was meaning.

Sorry about that.

Nah, you're cool. You're uually a cooler head in many conversations on this board.

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 Post subject: Re: Chick-fil-A
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:02 am 
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Neckbeard wrote:
..... Not everyone who identifies as Christian follows the ways as straight as Bryce in a room full of 25 year old Swedes. ...



See, the thing abot that is this.. no one expects a spanish inquistio.. oh wait.. no one can resist that temptation. That is why I do not condemn homosexuals. The key, is to avoid being in the room with all those Swedes.. or 25 singles girls of any nationality.. I'm not too picky and personally prefer some carmel, but hey, whatever.. :P

How avoiding would work for being homosexual I do not know.. hence, I do not condemn..

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Lemontin wrote:
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..... Not everyone who identifies as Christian follows the ways as straight as Bryce in a room full of 25 year old Swedes. ...



See, the thing abot that is this.. no one expects a spanish inquistio.. oh wait.. no one can resist that temptation. That is why I do not condemn homosexuals. The key, is to avoid being in the room with all those Swedes.. or 25 singles girls of any nationality.. I'm not too picky and personally prefer some carmel, but hey, whatever.. :P

How avoiding would work for being homosexual I do not know.. hence, I do not condemn..

I grew up in Sterling Heights... I love Middle Eastern women. Iraqi girls may be hairy but that's why they invented razors! My god... It's like god said "Yeah... Kim Kardashian is aright... I can do better though!" Neighbors got a pool this year... Wife hasn't had to yell at me about doing the lawn yet!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:04 am 
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For those on the soapbox of morality regarding "Traditional Marriage" and homosexuality being a sin,How about we just leave this "sin" crap at home. FAITH is not the basis of fact nor should it be the basis of law. I'm becoming more annoyed at "Christians" that use their personal faith to judge others. If the act of another does not infringe on your right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness....keep one's dislike of their "sin" based on your faith, to yourself.

Marriage is marriage. Gay, straight or whatever. Legal consenting adults bringing no harm to others.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:27 pm 
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craig11152 wrote:
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Where's the ACLU on this one?


To partially answer your question, the ACLU does not actively search for cases. They consider cases that have been referred to them. So maybe nobody has actually asked for their help in this matter. Unless you know they specifically rejected a request. If so please provide backup information.
Otherwise the tired old "where is the ACLU?" question has the same answer..... probably waiting for a request.


Hmmm, this article makes it seem as if the ACLU is acting of its on volition. At least, there isn't a mention of a client or who they are acting on behalf of.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/08/08/ ... ncy-tests/

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Sed libera nos a malo.

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 Post subject: Re: Chick-fil-A
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:39 pm 
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I like that: lemondork!! :D

Too bad I never said anything like that.

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Sad Metalhead pozwolą każdy kochający życie porno w piwnicy dupek na tym forum i nie mówię tu o Bryce lub szefa Lemon.

Triste metalero dejará ninguna porno amar la vida en el sótano culo en este foro y no estoy hablando de Bryce o el Jefe de limón.

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 Post subject: Re: Chick-fil-A
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:38 pm 
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Well if I'm reading that correctly, it isn't sad at all. I would leave if it was allowed. I mean, not that anyone would care.. just sayin'!

Then again, maybe I'm reading it incorrectly. :shock:

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Thought I'd add this little gem to the conversation...



:barf

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 Post subject: Re: Chick-fil-A
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You know, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry at that. But neither felt right. The topic is so serious (to me) but the pretense.. and schlock.
Not to mention the word is Condemnation, not contemnation. Sounded like an auto voice that got messed up. weird.

It's no wonder everyone hates Christians.

I especially thought thought the "wish you were here" repeats were very creepy, and unbiblical. I was going to pick it apart Biblically, but.. I think I don't need to..

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Lemontin wrote:
The key, is to avoid being in the room with all those Swedes.. or 25 singles girls of any nationality.. I'm not too picky and personally prefer some carmel, but hey, whatever.. :P


The EXACT reason I've never allowed myself to be alone in a hot tub with Ann Coulter. :rollin

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Bryce, I like you. We do not agree on everything, but I like you.

I actually tried to read Coulter's book. While I agreed with some of her points, overall she did
not come off as a very nice person.

Please tell me that you do not find Coulter hot? Please !!

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